Safefill 10Kg

Merve, it depends on how much room you have in the towcar. My 4x4 has plenty of space and spare weight capacity to carry the bottle. The ruling on gas bottles needing to be in a locker only applies to seasonal pitches on CC sites. As I very rarely use CC sites and would never consider a seasonal pitch this does not matter to me. However, at £20 for a 13kg Flogas the difference with Safefill is still minimal. I am not against the use of Safefill, in fact if there were a filling point within a couple of miles from home, it could be worth my while purchasing a cyinder. I am just pointing out that the cost argument is not always as simple as comparisons with Calor and there are other alternative ways of saving on gas costs.

Andy, I don't know where you are from in Co. Durham but I have filled up my LPG at Darlington North Road and Stokesley Jet Garage.  I understand that Jet at Stone Bridge (near Nevilles Cross Crossroads and the Services at A1 Aycliffe Darlington Junction also sell LPG although I havenn't filled up at these yet.  Don't know if they would be any use to you.

Merve, it depends on how much room you have in the towcar. My 4x4 has plenty of space and spare weight capacity to carry the bottle. The ruling on gas bottles needing to be in a locker only applies to seasonal pitches on CC sites. As I very rarely use CC sites and would never consider a seasonal pitch this does not matter to me. However, at £20 for a 13kg Flogas the difference with Safefill is still minimal. I am not against the use of Safefill, in fact if there were a filling point within a couple of miles from home, it could be worth my while purchasing a cyinder. I am just pointing out that the cost argument is not always as simple as comparisons with Calor and there are other alternative ways of saving on gas costs.

Write your comments here...Thanks for the clarification on the bottles being outside the locker Andy. I see your argument mate and if you have the capacity in your towcar as indeed I do that's very useful. If indeed a 13kg, and I agree with you because I have done similar in the past, costs £20 then why does a 6kg cost anything between £21 and £25? I don't blame you at all for buying bigger and saving money but these are the companies that have been ripping us (the folk who just want to go camping and caravanning) off for years. I have to buy their gas but I'll be damned if I will give them another penny towards supporting their cylinder business. I now have my own and that is the way it will stay. I also see your argument regarding a filling point but I'm sorry, I know for a fact that the 'big two' have really tried hard to block Safefill and that's probably the reason you can't fill up as others can't - well, not economically anyway. I can state it as a fact because I have come across garages who are Calor agents and as soon as they saw the SF cylinder every excuse in the book came out. Can't fill that mate because " I haven't got a licence". ( what licence is that then???)  " You need to fill those in a cage". ( do you see cars driving into a cage??" I'm not insured to fill those". ( Oh come on!!! One bloke in Wales I went to actually told me he had been told he couldn't fill them - who by?? Calor!!  That is changing though. Safefill are beginning to make headway against some of the most pernicious practices or should that be called restrictive practices? The facts are that every lie and rumour has been perpetrated about Safefill and others and that is why some believe it. I guess its the old saying - throw enough s**t at a blanket and some of its bound to stick!  Yes my Safefill cylinder cost me but everytime I fill it I have a warm glow that Calor and Flo are not gaining from it AGAIN!!! It's mine and that is priceless to me. 

As there is a lot of talk on this discussion about cartels I wondered if anybody (e.g. Safefill) have contacted the Competition and Markets Authority if they have evidence or suspicion of a cartel being operated by any of the manufactures?

I agree that garages appear to use a variety of 'excuses' when they are unsure. I am sure that some will also use health and safety as the reason. I think that what is on the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) website is about people using filling adapters bought from certain Internet sites to refill branded containers which is an extremely dangerous practice. I believe that these people don't do Safefill users any favours. It could be suggested that it is therefore easier for a busy garage to have a blanket ban on refilling portable containers otherwise it would mean educating all their staff on what could and could not be filled.

Gaslow according to their website appear have the same problem with their direct fill containers that Safefill have. They have got around this by installing a permanent filler to the vehicle/caravan and so meet the trade associations standards. 

Hi all took the plunge bought a 10kg safefill got it for £150 and it only cost £9 to fill it happy days and its only about 5 miles from our house where we got it from much easir than the calor lite 6kg and about £24 to swap 

If you can refill Gaslow and Safefill with their adaptors at a garage then you should be able to fill any gas bottle with their adaptor, along with the correct bottle attachment. The main reason is not safty, but to stop us getting cheap gas for our bottles!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

DJG, I think you will find that Gaslow and Safefill cylinders have safety valves built in. A normal Calor, Flogas cylinder is refilled while on a weight scale by fully qualified operators. You cannot overfill Gaslow or Safefill, the built in safety valves will not let you, however, I would imagine that you can easily overfill a standard cylinder. This causes a gas leak and a seriously dangerous situation, it is also the reason why some forecourts will not allow the filling of any non fixed gas cylinders. As is becoming the norm, the actions of a few selfish, and in my opinion, stupid individuals, is spoiling it for the rest of us.....

Edit..... You do not need adaptors with safefill as these are part of the bottles connection....

If you can refill Gaslow and Safefill with their adaptors at a garage then you should be able to fill any gas bottle with their adaptor, along with the correct bottle attachment. The main reason is not safty, but to stop us getting cheap gas for our bottles!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Write your comments here...Not quite correct DJD as Brian says regular bottles don't have the built in safety valve that Gaslow and Safefill have, and are fitted with pump friendly fittings as standard.  Adapters are only required for European use.  My central heating 1900 lt tank has the 80% cut off valve too to prevent overfill and allow for heat expansion, I had a long discussion with the delivery man about it as Calor were SO bad at delivery I wanted 100% full but the safety argument was very strong!  If Calor want to keep up with the trend they will have to produce their own refillables but judging on the price of Calorlite they can't compete with the likes of Safefill.  However I believe the Monopolies people are looking into that. 

As I have been a Safefill user for some years now and have saved a small fortune on gas, I happen to know a bit about them. Not only have the Safefill cylinders got the overfill safety valve (80%) but also has the check valve. This, as you will find out when Safefill becomes the default choice of caravan manufacturers, stops gas escaping even if you open the valve! How safe is that with children around? Try that with a Calor or Flogas cylinder!  I couldn't agree more with the comment above about this not being a health and Safety issue! It's about losing out on their extremely profitable cylinder business- the safefill cylinder is a very safe bit of kit and the big 2 are running scared. They have invested hundreds of thousands and probably more in their cylinders and they don't want to lose out so all sorts of rumours and garbage has been spoken about Safefill! The most ludicrous was "What is someone tried to fill it on its side?" If you can fill a SF cylinder on its side you'll be a genius and an idiot at the same time! Firstly its not possible and secondly, cretins don't tend to tow caravans around!! If you don't believe me about how safe SF cylinders are, ring Safefill and find out the FACTS as I did! They are a brilliant products and together with my Solar panel I have freed myself from fees that are 3 times ( or much more if it's a CC site) what I am paying now and with all the comforts that I would have with EHU. Safefill is the future. Oh, and may I say, Safefill as a company really want overt not covert filling! They are desperately trying to stop the idiots who are refilling Calor bottles etc. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly , these people have done us no favours! 

If the main problem the petroleum companies have with filling free standing bottles is that they may "topple over" why do they not provide a small cage so that won't be a problem?

I suspect its more to do with large profits and monopolies.