Safefill 10Kg

hi could anyone tell me if you need a different connecter in your caravan for the safefill bottles thinking of maybe getting one as we do about 5 weeks in summer off grid then a week in may we have the calor lite bottles they cost about £24 for refill which works out quite expensive when your running it all off gas is there many places that will let you refill thanks

Write your comments here...I'm no expert as pretty new to caravanning, however I was just abel to change my calor to a safefill without changing any connectors.  Having a small caravan, I just needed to be aware of the circumference size of the bottle and (if I remember correctly) got the middle size. Cost about £7.50 fo fill last time :) ,

Great choice!  I just bought a new hose Stainless steel this time to avoid that bother the great thing with it is no spanner required just a "tap type" hand job.  Just as well because my cylinder is quite large and spanner access near impossible!  It is the same size as Calor by the way, the hose that is.

Yes that's in the back of my mind so I had a look at the UKLPG website and sure enough they are members but to balance it so are a number of other bodies including......the Caravan Club. But strangely Safefill are not members. Rather than waiting for somebody else to contact the Caravan Club I have emailed them just now for advice.

I did contact the Caravan Club Technical for advice. I've attached the response. 

Thank you for your email.

In June 2007, the body then known as the LPGas Association, which has subsequently become UKLPG (the trade association for the LPG industry) issued revised advice on this topic, replacing their previous guidance which expressed similar concerns to those of The Club. Following review by the Technical sub-Committee, The Club had adopted this advice and is still current. The key requirements are indicated below:

It is our advice that user owned, portable LPG cylinders should not be refilled at Autogas refuelling sites.

Vessels which are attached to a vehicle for heating or cooking (on camper vans or similar) present similar risks on filling to those for propulsion purposes and may be permitted to be re-filled at Autogas refuelling sites provided they:

· remain in-situ for refilling; and
· are fitted with a device to physically prevent filling beyond 80%; and
· are connected to a fixed filling connector which is not part of the vessel.

In other words, cylinders which need to be removed from the caravan/motor caravan for refilling, and which are refilled directly from the nozzle of the LPG pump are still not recommended. However, cylinders which are in effect installed in the vehicle as a fixed tank, which are refilled via an external filler connection, and which include an 80% stop valve to prevent over-filling are acceptable.

Equipment which meets these requirements is available from a number of different suppliers in the UK. A non-exhaustive list of these is:

Gaslow International Ltd,
Castle Business Park
Pavilion Way
Loughborough,
Leicestershire. LE11 5GW
Tel: 0845 4000 600
Fax: 0845 4000 700

email: sales@gaslow.co.uk
www.gaslow.co.uk


MTH Gas Systems Ltd.
Castlemain Workshops
Yorkley Road
Parkend
Gloucestershire
GL15 4HH

Tel: 01594 563 538
www.mthautogas.co.uk/ note: website not working as of 30-10-08


RPi Engineering
Wayside Garage
Holt Road
Horsford
Norwich
Norfolk
NR10 3EE

Tel 01603 891209
Email info@rpiv8.com
Web. www.Gasrefill.com

In each case, it should be checked that the equipment being offered does comply with the recommendations above. Some companies sell a variety of systems, not all of which fully meet these guidelines. Eg RPi will sell a cylinder with an 80% stop valve, but with an optional external filler kit. Such a system would only be acceptable if the external filler kit is bundled with it.

Warnings:

As with all gas-related systems, users should take care to follow all installation and use instructions, and take care when they use the system.

Under no circumstances should cylinders which are not designed for user refilling be refilled other than by the cylinder suppliers’ authorised agent. The availability of cheap kits to permit the refilling of Calor and other cylinders at Autogas refilling stations must not be encouraged in any way, and it would be best if the existence of such equipment (for sale on eBay and elsewhere) is not acknowledged. In the event of enquirers asking about such equipment, the obvious safety concerns (principally, the lack of any stop valve to prevent overfilling, nor any visible indication of how full the cylinder is (with most cylinders)) can be highlighted. Such refilling would also be in breach of the conditions of supply for the Calor (or other) cylinder, and thus illegal.

Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine.  I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary.   That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.   

Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine.  I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary.   That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.   

The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.

No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.

Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine.  I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary.   That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.   

The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.

No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.

I am a little mystified by your statement "inherent dangers of toppling over" as the cyliner is locked onto the hose dispensing the gas?  Have you seen this happen with a Safefill cylinder?

It seems very obvious that some people have limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders as the same devices are used  to refill cars and Gaslow bottles.  There is no difference.

TBH are a green eyed monsters scaremongering? 

Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine.  I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary.   That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.   

The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.

No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.

I am a little mystified by your statement "inherent dangers of toppling over" as the cyliner is locked onto the hose dispensing the gas?  Have you seen this happen with a Safefill cylinder?

It seems very obvious that some people have limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders as the same devices are used  to refill cars and Gaslow bottles.  There is no difference.

TBH are a green eyed monsters scaremongering? 

Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine.  I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary.   That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.   

The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.

No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.

I am a little mystified by your statement "inherent dangers of toppling over" as the cyliner is locked onto the hose dispensing the gas?  Have you seen this happen with a Safefill cylinder?

It seems very obvious that some people have limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders as the same devices are used  to refill cars and Gaslow bottles.  There is no difference.

TBH are a green eyed monsters scaremongering? 

Well Safefill have the 80% safety valve and i have absolutely no qualms about using mine.  I have had more than my fair share of gas leaks with Calor system so I am very wary.   That sounds a bit as though some PR needs to be done to update to modern equipment.   

The issue of them being portable and with that the inherent dangers of toppling during recharging and so malfunctioning of the float operated overfilling protection device remains.

No amount of PR spin will overcome that fundamental issue though use of different technology in the function of an overfill protection might.

I am a little mystified by your statement "inherent dangers of toppling over" as the cyliner is locked onto the hose dispensing the gas?  Have you seen this happen with a Safefill cylinder?

It seems very obvious that some people have limited knowledge of refilling Safefill cylinders as the same devices are used  to refill cars and Gaslow bottles.  There is no difference.

TBH are a green eyed monsters scaremongering? 

I have to correct your statement 'There is no difference.' when you are comparing Safefill and Gaslow. Safefill is filled direct to the container whilst Gaslow is filled via a external filler kit which is fixed to the vehicle. That is the difference and that is why Gaslow (and its like) are generally accepted at filling stations. That appears to be the specific problem when you look at the industry guidelines, which will not be changing. I would want Safefill to be accepted but its the issue about availablity of refilling which is stopping me going down that route. 

To be honest, so long as I can place my Safefill on the floor, I don't see any danger of it falling over.  It has a much larger floor surface area than my previous calor bottles.  I was a little apprehensive about self filling my bottle for the first time but it was extremely simple.

There may be useful information in this thread but the overuse of complete quotes of other posts, and repeated nesting of them makes it beyond my level of interest to try to work out. I'll just stick with the Calor and the Camping Gaz backup.

Sorry didn't realise about quote and how much it duplicated. Blaming computer malfunction!!