Safefill 10Kg

HillClimb replied on 07/04/2016 12:28

Posted on 07/04/2016 12:28

New to caravaning, we've not even got our caravan yet - it is on on order from Elddis. So we've been doing a lot of research, there is a lot of data out there on the internet but I was struggling to find out what size of gas bottles would fit in to the gas locker of our van (which we haven't got yet).

So after a trip to the (not so local) Caravan Accessory shop at Webbs in Reading - (they were brilliant - so... helpful) . They helped by allowing me to take one of their 10kg Safefill bottles over to a Elddis 55x Caravan display model - that has the same structure/footprint as ours. So I can confirm that a 10kg Safefill cylinder will fit in to the gas locker of a Elddis 55x.  (And being refillable then I just need the one cylinder).

Doubtless everyone has there own preferances on Calorlite vs BP GasLight vs Safefill etc etc. For me, I was persuaded by the quantity of LPG fill suppliers listed and the cost-of-ownership. For ease of maths, I simply calculated what the total spend would be  once 30kg of gas has been consumed (initial rental + swaps for 2 cyclinder for BP or Calor)

30kg of Gas:

BPGaslight £238 (two initial rentals + 4 swaps) - (however you can get a refund if your no longer need the cylinders, so reducing the cost of ownership to reflect their residual value then 30kg would cost £213).

Calorlite £172 (two initial rentals + 3 swaps - I assume Calorlite's can also be refunded - but couldn't find how much?)

Purchase of a Single 10kg Safefill cylinder + 30kg of gas = £177

Redoing the math for 60kg; then Gaslight £375; Calorlite £310; Safefill £194

I pondered the 2 Rental Cylinders; 1 runs out; swap to the spare and exchange the empty (at our leisure (i.e. non urgent)) scenario - but a fair comparison for Safefill is: top-up the part full 10kg Safefill before departing; occasionaly check the gauge or look at the visible level and take it for another refill before it runs out (when we happen to be passing somewhere that does LPG refills). 

Hope this info helps others in their research/decision making

young thomas replied on 01/05/2016 19:52

Posted on 01/05/2016 19:52

TH, if you read the thread about surviving without a 230v ehu, you'll see that the real savings are made by being able to use non-ehu sites at a large discount....some are only £6 ish...

saving £6-£10 a night (compared to many ehu CL/sites) soon racks up the savings.

Merves thread passes on loads of tips including the use of solar panels and inverters to complement the cheap gas, giving you independence from ehu cables and thus widening your choice of site/location. 

dwlgll20 replied on 03/05/2016 16:15

Posted on 03/05/2016 16:15

Perhaps this is something that the Caravan Club Technical Committee should be looking at? I contacted UKLPG (the trade association of the U.K. LP Gas Industry) for advice on being able to refill containers such as Safefill. They responded straight away. I thought I would copy their reply. I know that Safefill have the 80% fill mechanism and the re-testing, but if you have a look at the UKLPG information sheet I wonder if its the type of connection used which does not make them meet the guidance of UKLPG? As I began should the Caravan Club be pressing for changes so that caravanning can be more good value?

Here is the reply from UKLPG:

"We are revising our guidance on the implications of owning and filling a freestanding LPG cylinder however, I am afraid that the guidance will not differ too much from our existing guidance information sheet 026 (August 2011).

Although we cannot give specific advice please be aware that all LPG cylinders require periodic testing and inspection and there is high potential risk during filling of the cylinder if you do not have the correct connection and safe guards in place to prevent overfilling and therefore over-pressurisation of the cylinder.

There are a lot of legal duties imposed on a public refuelling facility such as a petroleum forecourt which is why many companies do not offer a cylinder filling service.

We cannot tell you what to do but would urge you to gain more information so that you can take account of the whole life costs of owning a LPG cylinder together with the associated risks of filling."

Merve replied on 03/05/2016 16:40

Posted on 03/05/2016 16:40

Thanks for that dwig now I think a chat with either Niel or John at Safefill will give you a complete picture. Filling a Safefill cylinder is safer than filling a car and how many do that during a day? I have a feeling, call me suspicious, that this UKLPG may be made up of directors etc from Calor and Flogas!!!

dwlgll20 replied on 03/05/2016 16:55

Posted on 03/05/2016 16:55

Yes that's in the back of my mind so I had a look at the UKLPG website and sure enough they are members but to balance it so are a number of other bodies including......the Caravan Club. But strangely Safefill are not members. Rather than waiting for somebody else to contact the Caravan Club I have emailed them just now for advice.

Merve replied on 04/05/2016 07:49

Posted on 04/05/2016 07:49

On issues like this the CC are as much use as chocolate fireguard

 

Write your comments here...Couldn't have put it better myself Cyber. I would love to see the CC fighting it's corner for its members but Calor and co are massive sponsers of events etc so little can be wondered at. This is a cartel whose throttle like grip on massive profits in cylinder exchange and the leisure industry is being slowly released by a very brave and resilient company- Safefill. They are fighting and doing the CCs job but they need our help wherever we can give it. Ive said it before and I say it again, the pressure for these perfectly safe cylinders to become the norm is growing. Yes, they are not the answer to some but to most like me they are an absolute Godsend. Power to the people!! 

DaveandVicki replied on 04/05/2016 11:50

Posted on 04/05/2016 11:50

Cynic that I am, I do wonder how much the reluctance of forecourts to allow refilling of perfectly safe cylinders is actually to do with safety and not due to profit.

As a Safefill costs very little to refill, (under £3 for half a cylinder last weekend), there's no money in it.

hallagather replied on 12/05/2016 10:36

Posted on 12/05/2016 10:36

hi could anyone tell me if you need a different connecter in your caravan for the safefill bottles thinking of maybe getting one as we do about 5 weeks in summer off grid then a week in may we have the calor lite bottles they cost about £24 for refill which works out quite expensive when your running it all off gas is there many places that will let you refill thanks

Hakinbush replied on 12/05/2016 13:17

Posted on 12/05/2016 13:17

Made the switch over to gas light a week ago 10 k at Homebase Christchurch, contract £66, but when you need to change keep your reciept and you get a refill for half price, mind you 10K will probs last me two years so anything can happen in that time, oh and you can actualy see the level of gas used from looking at the cylinder..

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