Safefill 10Kg

HillClimb replied on 07/04/2016 12:28

Posted on 07/04/2016 12:28

New to caravaning, we've not even got our caravan yet - it is on on order from Elddis. So we've been doing a lot of research, there is a lot of data out there on the internet but I was struggling to find out what size of gas bottles would fit in to the gas locker of our van (which we haven't got yet).

So after a trip to the (not so local) Caravan Accessory shop at Webbs in Reading - (they were brilliant - so... helpful) . They helped by allowing me to take one of their 10kg Safefill bottles over to a Elddis 55x Caravan display model - that has the same structure/footprint as ours. So I can confirm that a 10kg Safefill cylinder will fit in to the gas locker of a Elddis 55x.  (And being refillable then I just need the one cylinder).

Doubtless everyone has there own preferances on Calorlite vs BP GasLight vs Safefill etc etc. For me, I was persuaded by the quantity of LPG fill suppliers listed and the cost-of-ownership. For ease of maths, I simply calculated what the total spend would be  once 30kg of gas has been consumed (initial rental + swaps for 2 cyclinder for BP or Calor)

30kg of Gas:

BPGaslight £238 (two initial rentals + 4 swaps) - (however you can get a refund if your no longer need the cylinders, so reducing the cost of ownership to reflect their residual value then 30kg would cost £213).

Calorlite £172 (two initial rentals + 3 swaps - I assume Calorlite's can also be refunded - but couldn't find how much?)

Purchase of a Single 10kg Safefill cylinder + 30kg of gas = £177

Redoing the math for 60kg; then Gaslight £375; Calorlite £310; Safefill £194

I pondered the 2 Rental Cylinders; 1 runs out; swap to the spare and exchange the empty (at our leisure (i.e. non urgent)) scenario - but a fair comparison for Safefill is: top-up the part full 10kg Safefill before departing; occasionaly check the gauge or look at the visible level and take it for another refill before it runs out (when we happen to be passing somewhere that does LPG refills). 

Hope this info helps others in their research/decision making

Juramalt replied on 13/04/2016 18:35

Posted on 13/04/2016 18:35

Good move. I also got a safefill cylinder and after just two weekends away it's half empty. Won't be too long before it pays for itself at this rate. The fridge works a lot better on gas than on electric. As the cylinder is so cheap to refill I don't mind using it.

Merve replied on 15/04/2016 11:13

Posted on 15/04/2016 11:13

Yes, good move hillclimb. I went to Safefill 3 years ago and have never regretted it. Folk on here will know how much of a Safefill evangelist I am. I could never go back to rip off Calor. I think Safefill will become the default choice for many in the caravan field (no pun intended) over the next few years. I notice at the NEC shows there is always great interest around the Safefill display at the Jacksons stall. For me, it's a no brainer. For those who love that electric cable and can pay for it night after night, I say good luck to them but there are ways to be just as comfortable and at a greatly reduced cost. yes, good choice.

Merve replied on 15/04/2016 11:17

Posted on 15/04/2016 11:17

 

Good choice, have had a Safefill cylinder (8.6kg/15ltrs) for a few years now using cheap gas, cost of cylinder is now paid for and as you say, just top it up and always go off will a full cylinder and with a 150w solar panal no need for EHU.

Write your comments here...Great isnt it Chris?

golfneil replied on 25/04/2016 23:20

Posted on 25/04/2016 23:20

Whilst I really like the idea, I have worries on getting it filled where I live, I suppose you can fill whilst touring, shame petrol forecourts are not more forgiving and understand the safety devices fitted to the cylinder.

Merve replied on 28/04/2016 11:53

Posted on 28/04/2016 11:53

Whilst I really like the idea, I have worries on getting it filled where I live, I suppose you can fill whilst touring, shame petrol forecourts are not more forgiving and understand the safety devices fitted to the cylinder.

Write your comments here...well that's what Safe fill are trying to do NSIL. Educate these outlets!! With our help that is much easier. Ring your namesake NEIL at Safefill and ask for some leaflets to explain just how safe these cylinders are to fill up!! With our input, the task of getting these businesses to accept Safefill will be so much easier! We, as the end users need to show that there is a growing and determined adoption of the Safefill cylinder-  once we do that, market forces will take over. You will find NEIL or JOHN very helpful and most grateful for any help offered. Thanks.

dennisps replied on 28/04/2016 14:44

Posted on 28/04/2016 14:44

I generally only use EHU now if it is included in the price of the pitch. For those places that charge, it is generally going to cost more to pay for EHU than cost of gas used.... we use about 0.6-0.8KG/day for gas for 5 of us for cooking/fridge/hot water and heating (not very cold weather though!). 10KG safefill cost £11.33 when I filled from empty... No where very local to fill, so costs a bit to drive to place I can fill, so probably £15/10KG. Therefore < £1.50/day for gas when not on EHU.

dwlgll20 replied on 28/04/2016 17:51

Posted on 28/04/2016 17:51

Whilst I really like the idea, I have worries on getting it filled where I live, I suppose you can fill whilst touring, shame petrol forecourts are not more forgiving and understand the safety devices fitted to the cylinder.

Write your comments here...well that's what Safe fill are trying to do NSIL. Educate these outlets!! With our help that is much easier. Ring your namesake NEIL at Safefill and ask for some leaflets to explain just how safe these cylinders are to fill up!! With our input, the task of getting these businesses to accept Safefill will be so much easier! We, as the end users need to show that there is a growing and determined adoption of the Safefill cylinder-  once we do that, market forces will take over. You will find NEIL or JOHN very helpful and most grateful for any help offered. Thanks.

Like golfneil what puts me off is the mixed messages about filling up. The UKLPG Industry Information Sheet seems to  indicate that self service retailers are not to refill portable cylinders (which are refillable). Fixed containers can be filled, subject to certain conditions. Whilst it has the date of 2011 it is still on their website and referenced by the Health and Safety Executive. So I'm totally confused. 

Merve replied on 30/04/2016 13:38

Posted on 30/04/2016 13:38

Yes there certainly is some dragging of feet but I believe this can only go one way. Safefill is here and here to stay. Things will improve as more and more people realise these cylinders are perfectly safe. 

Pippah45 replied on 30/04/2016 17:08

Posted on 30/04/2016 17:08

So far I have filled and topped up  my big cylinder at a car conversion to LPG place at Welton near Lincoln.  I fix it carefully into the back Seatbelt when done.  Highly recommended serviced fill up point.  

When I decided to give for Safefill I could only get the big cylinder which I am now so pleased to have as it is ages before top up is needed.  But you would need to be sure it fits in the locker.  If.money was no object I would get a smaller one as well but it certainly isn't in cessary for.me yet

 

tadhatter replied on 01/05/2016 19:15

Posted on 01/05/2016 19:15

Wow! I've just stumbled across this thread and what an eye-opener it is! 

We currently use the 4.5kg butane bottles and we get through approximately 1 a year so we are not big users by any stretch of the imagination. 

The large initial outlay of about £150 is a bit off-putting but given that I'm 41 and older than my wife and we have no intention of giving up caravanning then it will eventually pay for itself. I reackoin on current usage and costs it'll probably take about 8-10 years though! 

I've really enjoyed being educated by you on this - thanks! I guess it's what this forum is all about. :-)

 

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