What constitutes an awning?

Tio75 replied on 03/02/2019 12:32

Posted on 03/02/2019 12:32

Hi everyone, 

Still new to this game. :-)

We have an IH panel van conversion, 6.4 metres long. If we book a 'Pitch Without Awning' does that mean that we would not be able to use our wind-out awning at all? Forgive me if this seems a stupid question, but I do feel there is a difference between those luxurious and enormous awnings that effectively doubles the size of a caravan, and which takes some time to erect and dismantle, and our simple wind-out affair which just takes minutes to open and strap down and which just provides a bit of cover from the weather.

What is the official take on what is an awning, please? If I book a pitch without awning and then wind my awning out, and perhaps put a windbreak side on, will I be breaking the rules and find myself in trouble with the site wardens?

Many thanks,

Mike.

mickysf replied on 03/02/2019 20:03

Posted on 03/02/2019 19:48 by DavidKlyne

Trouble is I think you are playing with semantics. Currently the Club allow a wind out awning (only) on a non awning pitch on the basis that it can be quickly retracted. If people start asking to allow sun blockers to be installed then I wonder how long before the Club actually turn round and say no wideout sunshades on non awning pitches? The club have to have rules which are easy to understand and that don't put their staff in a possible conflict situation with members. The simpler the rules the easier it is for everyone to understand. If members require anything more than that they need to book an awning pitch.

David 

Posted on 03/02/2019 20:03

David, nothing to do with semantics, what has that to do with the 3m rule? Surely everything would need to be retractable if your stance is taken. 

Now are you arguing that we do as our 'headmaster' says, cos that's what he says? Not that there is anything wrong in that if we all agree!

I'm here to eliminate symantics, all I want is clarity and a reasoned understanding!

DSB replied on 03/02/2019 20:22

Posted on 03/02/2019 20:22

.....the other thing I notice is that the Club says that motorhomers can use a wind out awning providing that the 3 metre gap is maintained.  Does this mean that caravans with a wind out awning are prohibited in using a wind out, even if the awning is exactly the same as an awning found on a motorhome?  πŸ™‚

I don't know when the statement about wind out awning was produced, but perhaps the time has come for the Club to revise the statement for the purpose of clarity.

David

Edit: Oops!!  I forgot about the car!!!! 🀫🀫🀫.  David

Tinwheeler replied on 03/02/2019 20:35

Posted on 03/02/2019 20:22 by DSB

.....the other thing I notice is that the Club says that motorhomers can use a wind out awning providing that the 3 metre gap is maintained.  Does this mean that caravans with a wind out awning are prohibited in using a wind out, even if the awning is exactly the same as an awning found on a motorhome?  πŸ™‚

I don't know when the statement about wind out awning was produced, but perhaps the time has come for the Club to revise the statement for the purpose of clarity.

David

Posted on 03/02/2019 20:35

Maybe the difference is that the caravan will have a car on the pitch as well, David. 

I agree that it’s time many of the anomalies throughout the club's rules need sorting. I guess they've been added to over the years as innovations occur. They’d probably do it differently if they were starting from here.

Takethedogalong replied on 03/02/2019 20:37

Posted on 03/02/2019 20:37

We all need to be careful what we wish for at the current moment, if you get my drift! Life has a tendency to throw up some unwanted surprises!

πŸ€”πŸ˜²

mickysf replied on 03/02/2019 20:38

Posted on 03/02/2019 20:22 by DSB

.....the other thing I notice is that the Club says that motorhomers can use a wind out awning providing that the 3 metre gap is maintained.  Does this mean that caravans with a wind out awning are prohibited in using a wind out, even if the awning is exactly the same as an awning found on a motorhome?  πŸ™‚

I don't know when the statement about wind out awning was produced, but perhaps the time has come for the Club to revise the statement for the purpose of clarity.

David

Posted on 03/02/2019 20:38

It all to do with the 'Six and three' rule! Is your tow car exceptionally thin?

DSB replied on 03/02/2019 20:48

Posted on 03/02/2019 20:35 by Tinwheeler

Maybe the difference is that the caravan will have a car on the pitch as well, David. 

I agree that it’s time many of the anomalies throughout the club's rules need sorting. I guess they've been added to over the years as innovations occur. They’d probably do it differently if they were starting from here.

Posted on 03/02/2019 20:48

.....you are right, of course.  I just forgot about the car....!!  😁😁😁  πŸ™„πŸ™„

David

Phishing replied on 03/02/2019 23:18

Posted on 03/02/2019 23:18

Yes, more rules needed, more peg colours, every combination of awning on every type of vehicle needs a sub section of rules for awnings but then there are windbreaks gazebos and umbrellas. 

More rules please. 

Tinwheeler replied on 03/02/2019 23:31

Posted on 03/02/2019 23:31

I think we’re talking about revision, simplification and clarification of existing rules and practices but if you want more rules, I’m sure the club will oblige. 😎

Justus2 replied on 04/02/2019 05:54

Posted on 03/02/2019 19:23 by harryb

With the comments referring to paying according to the size of the pitch. 

Can you refrain, all that does is send the wrong message to the club. They will see it as a way to earn more money. One thing is for certain, they wouldn't consult the members.

Not everyone has an income to support larger pitches even though I use an awning. 

Posted on 04/02/2019 05:54

I quite agree harryb. Now retired, and on around half what I was earning when working, we have found this year that this clubs sites have become, at times, more expensive than we are prepared to pay. When prices with this club have been approaching or even over £30 per night we have looked elsewhere. During the forthcoming year we have already booked over 30 nights with the camping club, private sites or 5 van sites at much cheaper prices per night. At the end of the day it is only somewhere to park your outfit and putting prices up doesn't always generate more revenue, sometimes quite the opposite... cool

replied on 04/02/2019 07:55

Posted on 03/02/2019 17:13 by mickysf

Thing is that in life people generally dislike rules which are ambiguous or illogical. This non-awning rule is both. Okay, so it would be best to have a rule which states anything goes as far as pitching is concerned as long as firebreaks are maintained! Unfortunately though I'd bet a lot of people would be asked to move if this was the case. Maybe some of us just need a little more guidance or help to get things right which is where the ambiguity creeps in.


So, can anyone answer this? Why are trailer tents, which have 'parts' which could be considered awning like allowed on non-awning pitches. The answer I guess is that if they maintain the stipulated firebreaks that's absolutely fine. After all there is no written rule specifically forbidding trailer tents on any type of pitches is there?

Posted on 04/02/2019 07:55

I had a trailer tent about 38 year ago. It was about 7' wide by 18' long and so not much different from a caravan. It had a very large awning which I rarely used as we used to mainly tour rather than staying in one place.

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