What constitutes an awning?

And Old Hartley is all "non-awning." 

Thanks for your replies, folks, glad to see it's not such a stupid question after all.

I have been noticing that 'pitches with awnings' do sell out first, plus also I've been of the opinion that I won't take an awning pitch if I don't need one, I'm happy to leave those for the families with big outfits who may need them, although I guess if I do find that the non-awning pitches are not as nice as the awning ones, I may change that policy.

I think, based on what I've read, (thanks JillwithaJay for posting that clarification), when on a non-awning pitch I'll use my roll-out 'canopy or sunshade', making sure I maintain a 3 metre gap, and may even slide in a mesh windbreak on one side, and see if anyone complains.

Thanks folks.

The way I look at it is the Club has allowed roll out type sun shades on non awning pitches as a temporary method of providing shade subject to certain space considerations. Once you attach anything to it, like a side screen, most will be tempted to pin that down to stop it flapping around and as such you have a semi fixed structure which is not allowed. I think people are trying to complicate things a bit here. If you feel the need to attach sides to a roll out then you need to book a full awning pitch which gives you the freedom to add as much or as little as you wish. 

David

I hear what you are saying David but this is not complicated nor is it based entirely on logical reasoning. Thing is an awning is permitted on an awning pitch if it maintains the 3m separation. So the only thing stopping an awning on a non awning pitch which still maintains that 3m separation are the 'words' contained in the rule itself, nothing else.  Nothing wrong with this as long as we all understand and accept that it's only the words which bind us to that rule in this instance. Now that's not complicated is it?

We always book an awning pitch if we can. Our little MH usually looks a bit lost on one, but it does give a bit more privacy. There were lots of little camper vans at YRP last Summer, they looked even more lost than us. The tester will come if the Club ever decides to base charges on pitch size, like CintheF do.  We like sites where you are given a space and can do what you like with it so long as the firebreak is followed. 👍

Thing is that in life people generally dislike rules which are ambiguous or illogical. This non-awning rule is both. Okay, so it would be best to have a rule which states anything goes as far as pitching is concerned as long as firebreaks are maintained! Unfortunately though I'd bet a lot of people would be asked to move if this was the case. Maybe some of us just need a little more guidance or help to get things right which is where the ambiguity creeps in.

So, can anyone answer this? Why are trailer tents, which have 'parts' which could be considered awning like allowed on non-awning pitches. The answer I guess is that if they maintain the stipulated firebreaks that's absolutely fine. After all there is no written rule specifically forbidding trailer tents on any type of pitches is there?

Agree it wouldn’t work any more on Club Sites. Pitches are too small, and the membership nowadays loves all the rules and regs. It wasn’t always thus, but you just have to go with it nowadays. 

Beddgelert used to be superb, you just rolled up and pitched up anywhere. We once pitched our tent right next to a path, only to find out there was a big MTB event on.....we moved!🤣

With the comments referring to paying according to the size of the pitch. 

Can you refrain, all that does is send the wrong message to the club. They will see it as a way to earn more money. One thing is for certain, they wouldn't consult the members.

Not everyone has an income to support larger pitches even though I use an awning. 

Tio75 said,

"I have been noticing that 'pitches with awnings' do sell out first,"

That may not be the case, some sites have far less awning pitches than non awning. Baltic Wharf for instance has 56 pitches but only 11 'with awning' 

Trouble is I think you are playing with semantics. Currently the Club allow a wind out awning (only) on a non awning pitch on the basis that it can be quickly retracted. If people start asking to allow sun blockers to be installed then I wonder how long before the Club actually turn round and say no wideout sunshades on non awning pitches? The club have to have rules which are easy to understand and that don't put their staff in a possible conflict situation with members. The simpler the rules the easier it is for everyone to understand. If members require anything more than that they need to book an awning pitch.

David