Snagging List

cyberyacht replied on 05/01/2017 08:59

Posted on 05/01/2017 08:59

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING.

This thread is not for discussions. Post ONLY factual information.

To provide a comprehensive list of problems encountered, I would suggest that each post lists only one issue at a time.

Provide details of problem  as concisely as possible.

Operating system, machine used and relevant software. i.e. Macbook/ PC/tablet, Windows XP/ iOS7 etc, Safari/Internet Explorer/Chrome inc version No.

Please do not enter into discussions such as "I've had/not had this problem" as this will detract from the objectivity of the thread. Hopefully this thread may assist the IT department in finding where "all the bodies are buried".

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING.

CJDM replied on 30/04/2020 19:53

Posted on 30/04/2020 19:53

Thanks, Justin.  Having spent 32 years in IT, half of it in system support, I can understand the pressures that you and the IT support team are under to understand, fix/test, fix/test, …  and then release code into the live environment.  Good luck and thanks again

Justin Bricknell replied on 30/04/2020 20:13

Posted on 30/04/2020 19:48 by nelliethehooker

There's still a problem with booking a club site. I've just gone onto the booking page and selected "Region" and the only one that comes up is Cotswolds. When I try to select a county is come up with "County" but no list of them. If you select Sites in England all one gets is the Cotswolds, and selecting that no list of sites in that region appear. When I try to select a county is come up with "County" but no list of them. However if one uses the Search and Book facility all the regions and counties are listed.

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:13

Hi Nellie 

Thanks for your reply. 

Yes, we noticed this earlier. The Cotswolds one was added in manually by our external partners as a test. The manual republishing of the sites by our Content team was hopefully going to repopulate the Counties and Regions... But from what you're reporting it doesn't appear to have done so.

I can't contact anyone in that team this evening. I'll pick this up with the teams involved in the morning and post an update once I have a meaningful response for you.

Justin

obbernockle replied on 30/04/2020 20:17

Posted on 30/04/2020 18:11 by Justin Bricknell

Thanks for all your responses to my earlier post. 

As I mentioned earlier, I'm not personally responsible for the maintenance of the Club's website on a day to day basis, and generally only get involved in these issues when there is a Major Incident. 

I can't give definitive answers to all of the comments made but I'll try to reply to some of the comments. 

@Cyberyacht - I don't think it's uncommon for an organisation of CAMC's size to use multiple partners to maintain it's IT infrastructure. We, like many others, only have a limited amount of internal resources and require external support in certain areas.

@Oneputt - I can assure you that most organisations with a complex website will need to put their site into maintenance mode at times. Indeed, my bank (Metro Bank) have a 6 hour outage planned this weekend.

@Obbernockle - generally speaking, in IT incident management, the priority is to restore the affected service. Sometimes, this may be as simple as restarting a server. Once the issue is fixed, we'd look at conducting Root Cause Analysis to establish why it happened and put in steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. The current issues with the CAMC website are complex and there are many individual elements that need to be resolved. The investigating teams have been told to restore the missing sites in the UK Club Sites section of the website as a priority. Once these are restored (hopefully within the next few hours) we will then look at the remaining issues and conduct an RCA.

I know my posts won't satisfy everyone on these forums but I'm just trying to share what I can with you, be as transparent as possible and reiterate how seriously we are taking the current issues. 

Some of the teams involved were working on yesterday morning's release (7am start). In my last post, I mentioned that the initial issues were fixed at 2am the following day - with some of those same people involved. Some of those staff are still working on the issues at the moment and will be involved in a 6am release tomorrow, which is a pre-requisite code deployment ahead of the UK Sites Rolling Inventory release next Wednesday. We really are working flat out to get the issues resolved as soon as possible. 

Justin

 

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:17

Complex" Yes it is for some and that is why we have to rely on specialists. I listened for some time (a year or so I guess) to our IT manager saying that "complex" word. We hired another manager. The system was noticeably improved quite quickly. I dont think I ever heard him use the "complex" word. 

Isn't a specialist employed to deal with specialised matters which are sometimes complex?

I will not say another word on the subject as it's not fair for us to behave like key board warriors, especially on this thread which is supposed to be a list of individual snags. Thanks for your input Justin. 

 

CJDM replied on 30/04/2020 20:29

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:17 by obbernockle

Complex" Yes it is for some and that is why we have to rely on specialists. I listened for some time (a year or so I guess) to our IT manager saying that "complex" word. We hired another manager. The system was noticeably improved quite quickly. I dont think I ever heard him use the "complex" word. 

Isn't a specialist employed to deal with specialised matters which are sometimes complex?

I will not say another word on the subject as it's not fair for us to behave like key board warriors, especially on this thread which is supposed to be a list of individual snags. Thanks for your input Justin. 

 

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:29

Large systems are 'complex', but that is a word that is often used when the support team don't really understand how it hangs together.  I'm not saying that the CMC package is old, but often systems that are a bit long in the tooth have been patched, embellished and extended so many times the code can be a bit of a nightmare. That nightmare is heightened when the original coders have left and didn't properly document what they did.  e.g. I have heard of the odd banking system with a £.p to £.s.d converter !!! surprised

EmilysDad replied on 30/04/2020 20:30

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:30

but the CT side of the web site has been cr4p for years .... it's slow at best, there's next to no search facility. Searching for CLs only involves going round the houses to get anywhere. The option to post only part of someone's post was removed years ago which means you have quote the whole of the post which frequently fills the whole page with just a couple of posts .....

Dare I mention the option of a PM facility ....

DavidKlyne replied on 30/04/2020 20:33

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:33

I know my posts won't satisfy everyone on these forums but I'm just trying to share what I can with you, be as transparent as possible and reiterate how seriously we are taking the current issues.

Hi Justin

I suspect you are not wrong there!!! But many thanks for putting your head above the above the parapet and explaining the issues involved which clearly some of us do appreciate. I hope you will continue to enlighten us from time to time as it saves any of us guessing what the problem is. 

Thanks

David

moulesy replied on 30/04/2020 20:38

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:38

"The option to post only part of someone's post was removed years ago ......"

Oh no it wasn't! I do it all the time (as above)! tongue-out

JVB66 replied on 30/04/2020 20:42

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:38 by moulesy

"The option to post only part of someone's post was removed years ago ......"

Oh no it wasn't! I do it all the time (as above)! tongue-out

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:42

Which just goes to show how much notice some take? of what is postedwink

EmilysDad replied on 30/04/2020 20:43

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:38 by moulesy

"The option to post only part of someone's post was removed years ago ......"

Oh no it wasn't! I do it all the time (as above)! tongue-out

Posted on 30/04/2020 20:43

but who was it that made the post? 🤔 There's no reference to it on your post? and without searching ..... oh yes! the search facility is virtually non existent!

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