Arrival times

tompo replied on 09/03/2018 13:24

Posted on 09/03/2018 13:24

just booked a few weeks at the blackpool south club site .But it now seems that they have altered the arrival time from 12 to 1 o-clock I can go along with that as its a very narrow lane outside so no room to queue with out causeing a traffic jam . My gripe (complaint) is that sites don,t enforce the leave time we have seen people in caravans leaving at 4pm at blackpool and believe it or not 2 leaving southport site at 6.30pm (caravans) you can,t tell if motorhomes are leaving or just nipping out so come on club sites lets have some rules everybody has to stick to in fairness to all members.

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Cornersteady replied on 14/03/2018 20:30

Posted on 14/03/2018 20:20 by

Yes JVB

The operative word there is "booked" no doubt when you traveled "over there" you would, like me have just turned up at whatever time within reason your journey dictated and been admitted. If I was to start booking overseas sites I feel sure their paperwork would carry a similar message to yours but the difference seems to be that if I was "naughty enough" to arrive at 11 am "hell would freeze over" before they turned me away. 

Posted on 14/03/2018 20:30

sorry not quite got that Dave, a similar message to yours - do you mean the they have set arrival times and departure times? I had got the mistaken impression that these did not exist over there? 

As the need for booking too? what do you mean start booking

Have you booked anything for this year like you did last time?

JVB66 replied on 14/03/2018 20:32

Posted on 14/03/2018 20:26 by Cornersteady

I'm sure it both busy and popular, just wondered if people moaned on their 'forum' about the rules?

Posted on 14/03/2018 20:32

Not looked but as on club sites the arrival dep times do not seem to affect how busy they are 

replied on 14/03/2018 20:50

Posted on 14/03/2018 20:24 by moulesy

Just explain to us again how that "reservation fee" for your pitch in Croatia is entirely different to "booking", David! undecided 

On second thoughts, since this thread is about UK Sites,  maybe better not to! wink

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Takethedogalong replied on 14/03/2018 20:58

Posted on 14/03/2018 15:15 by Cornersteady

I think rules are an age related thing. Personally, there's a bit of rebel still alive in me

I understand what you are saying but some rules are given from a higher authority ( national government, school, local council, at work, parents when younger...) and these are the ones you may not agree with and all of us at one time have thought them stupid or silly and want to rebel against them. But these rules are imposed on you, you have to abide by them or choose not as they case may be and take the risk/consequences if caught (part of the fun when younger) and these types of rules are difficult to get away from.

But with club rules you voluntarily decide to join the club and/or book a site. You are not being forced to join/book. you sign to abide by them of your own free will. I can't really understand why you join/book/sign then think the rules do not apply or should be changed to suit your own personal circumstances after joining? 

Posted on 14/03/2018 20:58

Ah, but thats the interesting bit Corners!laughing A lot depends on who has defined and decided the rules, and even perceived "higher authorities" dont get it right, and certainly should be challenged as society evolves.

Classic examples are Rosa Parkes, broke the rules, kickstarted the Equal Rights movement in USA. Suffragette Movement, (some) women allowed to vote for first time ever. Both are classic examples of determined individuals and groups bravely "breaking the rules" in the name of fairness, decency and equality. Rules written by so called higher authorities (in both cases predominantly white males!) that would be considered outdated and a scandal nowadays!

We only use Club Sites when they are not busy, so staying a bit later isn't usually an issue, but we always ask first. Our prime reason for membership nowadays is to access the CL network, the Club now has many more very prescriptive rules than when we first joined 30 plus years ago, mainly because it is trying to fit a quart (more members in huge outfits) into a pint pot (old sites originally designed for less users in smaller outfits). Most Club rules are sensible given how the Club membership has evolved, but a blanket policy applied at all sites, all of the time is rather harsh when it comes to arrival and departure times. Advocating local management is only a tiny bit rebellious! surprisedlaughing

Cornersteady replied on 14/03/2018 21:03

Posted on 14/03/2018 20:50 by

Certainly as you have asked.

I have paid €23 to reserve NOTE a particular pitch , and if I dont turn up it may be lost, its not a deposit its a fee. In my book pedantic maybe, its a reservation not a booking , a booking to my mind implies a non refundable and significant deposit and a commitment  to stay and pay for a set period whether we stay or not

When we arrive we get the pitch we asked for  or  something very similar, when we leave we will pay for the days we have been there, its a system we like, if we changed our mind we have wasted a modest fee nothing more but if we make it around the time we reserved we are assured that we have not driven a thousand  miles to be disappointed with the outcome.

Our spring trip is entirely different in that we have booked a CL and a club site plus a ferry and that is  all,

 

Posted on 14/03/2018 21:03

If you don't mind me saying so that is being very pedantic. There is no difference between a reservation and booking in real life and the two are used. Unlike your definition both can be with or without deposits, do I book at table at my local Toby's or do I reserve a table. The website says booking a table but I don't pay any deposit so fails your test? 

But if that is your definition that's fine too

moulesy replied on 14/03/2018 21:04

Posted on 14/03/2018 21:04

So (a) " if I don't turn up ..." sounds a bit like speculative  booking to me, David, you know, "depriving" someone else of that pitch 

(b) how is "it may be lost" different from "non refundable"?

and (c) "we get the pitch we asked for or something similar" sounds like you're paying a reservation fee for something you might end up not getting anyway!

Well, it seems to suit you David and that's fair enough - at the end of the day that's all that really matters to any of us isn't it?

But I still fail to see the relevance to the subject raised in this particular thread.

Cornersteady replied on 14/03/2018 21:13

Posted on 14/03/2018 20:58 by Takethedogalong

Ah, but thats the interesting bit Corners!laughing A lot depends on who has defined and decided the rules, and even perceived "higher authorities" dont get it right, and certainly should be challenged as society evolves.

Classic examples are Rosa Parkes, broke the rules, kickstarted the Equal Rights movement in USA. Suffragette Movement, (some) women allowed to vote for first time ever. Both are classic examples of determined individuals and groups bravely "breaking the rules" in the name of fairness, decency and equality. Rules written by so called higher authorities (in both cases predominantly white males!) that would be considered outdated and a scandal nowadays!

We only use Club Sites when they are not busy, so staying a bit later isn't usually an issue, but we always ask first. Our prime reason for membership nowadays is to access the CL network, the Club now has many more very prescriptive rules than when we first joined 30 plus years ago, mainly because it is trying to fit a quart (more members in huge outfits) into a pint pot (old sites originally designed for less users in smaller outfits). Most Club rules are sensible given how the Club membership has evolved, but a blanket policy applied at all sites, all of the time is rather harsh when it comes to arrival and departure times. Advocating local management is only a tiny bit rebellious! surprisedlaughing

Posted on 14/03/2018 21:13

yes I absolutely agree with you and of course if rules or laws are unjust then they must be challenged. I never said otherwise did I?

But my point is that the rules in a club site , or indeed any privately owned club, hotel, organisation... whatever only have to be followed if you join/book/go there. The club has said this is the policy across all sites, if one thinks they are harsh then surly don't go there or don't join? These rules are not imposing on you unless you come to a club site of course. But to actually say you'll will abide by the rules, actually pay money to say so, then go in with the intent of not following them is, to me, just plain silly. Why rebel against something that you don't have to join in the first place?

 

Cornersteady replied on 14/03/2018 21:28

Posted on 14/03/2018 21:28

found this site near Florence at Figline Valarno. It's actually near to my Grandmothers old house and remember the town quite well and I'll be visiting relatives there soon. (PS it's not pronounced fig-line - that always makes the locals laugh - ignore the g and you're almost there )

Permitted arrival/departure time
Camping and touring
Arrive: 
12 p.m. – 
8 p.m.
Depart: 
12 p.m.

No refunds/discounts for inclement weather, late arrivals or early departures.

12 pm - 8pm, depart 12pm is this a club site? I though sites over there you just turned up when you want?

 

Takethedogalong replied on 14/03/2018 22:07

Posted on 14/03/2018 21:13 by Cornersteady

yes I absolutely agree with you and of course if rules or laws are unjust then they must be challenged. I never said otherwise did I?

But my point is that the rules in a club site , or indeed any privately owned club, hotel, organisation... whatever only have to be followed if you join/book/go there. The club has said this is the policy across all sites, if one thinks they are harsh then surly don't go there or don't join? These rules are not imposing on you unless you come to a club site of course. But to actually say you'll will abide by the rules, actually pay money to say so, then go in with the intent of not following them is, to me, just plain silly. Why rebel against something that you don't have to join in the first place?

 

Posted on 14/03/2018 22:07

The rebellious bit is interpretive! I view the arrival and departure times as sensible guidance, not "thou shalt not". Therefore, if I am on a none busy site, plenty of spare pitches all around at 11.30 am, I might ask if we can take our time leaving and packing up, and not scurry off a relatively empty site bang on 12 noon? If the Warden says no, then we would leave at 12 noon, but, as yet, we havent come across any Warden so unreasonable. If I was on Rowntree Park at a weekend, the question wouldnt even get asked, common sense and a glance at the bookings status says staying late is impossible. 

I suppose its just being prepared to ask for something that seems quite reasonable rather than being a rebel in this instance. But asking might seem unfair to some, I dont know?laughing

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