The Planet in Peril

mickysf replied on 08/10/2018 13:39

Posted on 08/10/2018 13:39

The very latest predictions paint a challenging future for us and our hobby. Some would suggest grim even whilst others suggest that with intervention and a change to our habits all is not lost. What changes to our leisure pursuits and lives do folk think will make that difference for our future generations?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45775309 

 

Hedgehurst replied on 09/10/2018 13:24

Posted on 09/10/2018 12:39 by Extugger

If we in Britain all changed to electric vehicles tomorrow, what impact would it have on the planet? Very little. When you consider that Britain is about as large as a couple of US states, ditto China, then until both of them commit to reduce their carbon footprint on this planet, nothing we do will make much impact.

Getting rid of Trump and bringing USA back into the Paris agreement would be a first step, but until then, they'll continue to drive around their roads in their big V8 gas-guzzling trucks, whilst the rest of the world stare in disbelief. Proof, if it were needed, that the oil companies billions of dollars rule this planet.

Posted on 09/10/2018 13:24

In terms of immediate planetary impact, indeed, a UK change to electric vehicles might indeed have relatively little impact, you're quite probably right.

But as David K and others rightly point out, each of us doing what we can does add up. And almost as important, such moves foster the climate (no pun intended!) of acceptance that this is the intelligent and positive way to go, rather than all waiting for someone else to make the first move - that way nothing happens and we continue to pump out the pollutants.

It's hugely encouraging that so much is already happening. Even in the USA there is increasing movement in the right direction. China's a big sinner, but it is vastly increasing its solar energy output, whatever its motivation for doing so.

 

Cornersteady replied on 09/10/2018 13:46

Posted on 09/10/2018 13:24 by Hedgehurst

In terms of immediate planetary impact, indeed, a UK change to electric vehicles might indeed have relatively little impact, you're quite probably right.

But as David K and others rightly point out, each of us doing what we can does add up. And almost as important, such moves foster the climate (no pun intended!) of acceptance that this is the intelligent and positive way to go, rather than all waiting for someone else to make the first move - that way nothing happens and we continue to pump out the pollutants.

It's hugely encouraging that so much is already happening. Even in the USA there is increasing movement in the right direction. China's a big sinner, but it is vastly increasing its solar energy output, whatever its motivation for doing so.

 

Posted on 09/10/2018 13:46

each of us doing what we can does add up

Excellent so please tell us what you personally are doing as a caravaner/MHer

Are you taking less trips in your 'gas guzzling' (your words) car and van? Are you giving up towing (hence using less fuel producing less harmful emissions)?  Are you even giving your present holidaying with a car and van and changing to a bike and tent?

SteveL replied on 09/10/2018 15:13

Posted on 09/10/2018 11:37 by Kennine

I would like to point out that there were no records kept over the billions of years that the Earth has been in existence until very recent time. During those billions of years, the Earth has fluctuated from cold to hot in natural cycles.  Therefore to say that the earth is becoming warmer in a much shorter time now, as against the other times is IMO quite simply wrong.  Where is the proof ? , there is none. --------There are only personal opinions based on semantics trying to put fear into the world's population to subscribe to highly profitable Green Energy products ----------------nothing else. 

 

Posted on 09/10/2018 15:13

I am not sure we need to concerned with billions K, but for the last 500 million years or so there is a fossil record, that can be used to show the speed of environmental changes. For more recent history there is dendrochronology (tree rings) which have proved very useful.

However, to some extent the speed might be irrelevant. If sea levels rise to the degree predicted. Several island nations will cease to exist. Perhaps they have a bit more to loose.

brue replied on 09/10/2018 16:13

Posted on 09/10/2018 16:13

Was just going to say the same myself Steve, ask a geologist, an archaeologist or an oceanographer.....Kennine , the answers lie beneath you, around you and in your DNA....laughingwink There's the proof if you need it.

brue replied on 09/10/2018 16:23

Posted on 09/10/2018 13:24 by Hedgehurst

In terms of immediate planetary impact, indeed, a UK change to electric vehicles might indeed have relatively little impact, you're quite probably right.

But as David K and others rightly point out, each of us doing what we can does add up. And almost as important, such moves foster the climate (no pun intended!) of acceptance that this is the intelligent and positive way to go, rather than all waiting for someone else to make the first move - that way nothing happens and we continue to pump out the pollutants.

It's hugely encouraging that so much is already happening. Even in the USA there is increasing movement in the right direction. China's a big sinner, but it is vastly increasing its solar energy output, whatever its motivation for doing so.

 

Posted on 09/10/2018 16:23

I think the idea in the UK just now is that we start making changes so that we can make our remaining fossil fuel supplies last a bit longer so that we're not dependent on supplies from other countries. We'll gain from having less particulates in the air if we change to non fossil fuels and we gain if other countries agree to do the same. At present China is not the most polluted country, that record goes to several other countries, have a look on google, anyone who might be interested will probably be surprised. smile

Cornersteady replied on 09/10/2018 16:34

Posted on 09/10/2018 16:23 by brue

I think the idea in the UK just now is that we start making changes so that we can make our remaining fossil fuel supplies last a bit longer so that we're not dependent on supplies from other countries. We'll gain from having less particulates in the air if we change to non fossil fuels and we gain if other countries agree to do the same. At present China is not the most polluted country, that record goes to several other countries, have a look on google, anyone who might be interested will probably be surprised. smile

Posted on 09/10/2018 16:34

but what? are you suggesting less trips away?

brue replied on 09/10/2018 16:52

Posted on 09/10/2018 16:52

Well, as we've got an EV I think we've made a big change and we're not away in our MH just now and frankly I'm happy to leave it at home this time round. wink

Edit...and Oops I don't want to appear "holier than thou" do I? laughing So I hope to see more discussions in the future about EV ownership, EV towing etc and that will no doubt show that things are changing in a positive way?

 

JVB66 replied on 09/10/2018 17:10

Posted on 09/10/2018 16:52 by brue

Well, as we've got an EV I think we've made a big change and we're not away in our MH just now and frankly I'm happy to leave it at home this time round. wink

Edit...and Oops I don't want to appear "holier than thou" do I? laughing So I hope to see more discussions in the future about EV ownership, EV towing etc and that will no doubt show that things are changing in a positive way?

 

Posted on 09/10/2018 17:10

But to make all the batteries that will/may be required is,  i am told, one of the most environmentally unfriendly methods that is aroundsurprised

Hedgehurst replied on 09/10/2018 18:07

Posted on 09/10/2018 13:46 by Cornersteady

each of us doing what we can does add up

Excellent so please tell us what you personally are doing as a caravaner/MHer

Are you taking less trips in your 'gas guzzling' (your words) car and van? Are you giving up towing (hence using less fuel producing less harmful emissions)?  Are you even giving your present holidaying with a car and van and changing to a bike and tent?

Posted on 09/10/2018 18:07

Hence my original post to ask what the CAMC might do to help promote the equipment, or even just improve awareness of what's already there, so that I and others can continue to enjoy trips away without increasing the problem.

We've personally taken other steps in our daily lives, yes, but that isn't the concern of this discussion. What I'm hoping for is more momentum towards more eco-friendly ways of holidaying. If we could run to an EV now, we'd have done so - though yes, there is still the problem of the battery production to be solved.

Discussing ways and means here seems like a great idea, so more of us can find out what's already happening and what progress can be expected.

brue replied on 09/10/2018 18:12

Posted on 09/10/2018 17:10 by JVB66

But to make all the batteries that will/may be required is,  i am told, one of the most environmentally unfriendly methods that is aroundsurprised

Posted on 09/10/2018 18:12

Strange that our EV is also 95% recyclable with a carbon fibre structure etc. But I've said that before on a vehicle thread so I'll let others have their say now on the OP rather than divert it to cars. How about more walking and less driving? smile

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