The Planet in Peril

mickysf replied on 08/10/2018 13:39

Posted on 08/10/2018 13:39

The very latest predictions paint a challenging future for us and our hobby. Some would suggest grim even whilst others suggest that with intervention and a change to our habits all is not lost. What changes to our leisure pursuits and lives do folk think will make that difference for our future generations?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45775309 

 

Hedgehurst replied on 08/10/2018 18:21

Posted on 08/10/2018 17:58 by Tinwheeler

Didn't Grenville say the club is not a lobbying organisation?

Posted on 08/10/2018 18:21

I'm truly not seeking to be provocative, but feel that given that the club's magazine is basically a lot of advertising with articles added, sometimes advertorial articles, it can't help being, in effect, a lobbying organisation, though that's not a word I used.

It's big, it reaches a lot of people in the caravan/MH world, it sells things. So it's influential. Hence my feeling that it has a certain responsibility, and so my  post in the other topic.

I hope that putting it this way doesn't sound too red-raggish smile

Tinwheeler replied on 08/10/2018 18:41

Posted on 08/10/2018 18:21 by Hedgehurst

I'm truly not seeking to be provocative, but feel that given that the club's magazine is basically a lot of advertising with articles added, sometimes advertorial articles, it can't help being, in effect, a lobbying organisation, though that's not a word I used.

It's big, it reaches a lot of people in the caravan/MH world, it sells things. So it's influential. Hence my feeling that it has a certain responsibility, and so my  post in the other topic.

I hope that putting it this way doesn't sound too red-raggish smile

Posted on 08/10/2018 18:41

The advertising in the magazine is paid for by advertisers. It is not the club giving sponsorship.

I think you’ll find that mags such as MMM and Practical Caravan are far bigger.

Btw, it’s the being told how to post and having opinions quoted as absolute fact that riles me. We are all entitled to state our opinions and debate issues but a few people tend to preach with a 'holier than thou' attitude. 

redface replied on 08/10/2018 18:56

Posted on 08/10/2018 18:56

So, to get back to the OP, 'What shall we do about it' ,seems there is little choice but to refrain from caravanning, motor-homing, camping, going on holiday by plane, nipping down town to go shopping by car etc.

Perhaps we should all stay at home and grow veg in our back gardens - except that I am not a veggie, will need to go down town to get meat and am therefore unlikely to be the saviour of this planet.

I agree that ice ages come and go, so the opposite is that global warming also comes and goes.

I shall try not to panic!

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 08/10/2018 19:53

Posted on 08/10/2018 19:53

I’ll be doing nothing to change my lifestyle. My Diesel driving is here to stay. Being dictated to by anyone in an ivory tower does no favours for their honesty or credentials. For every climate changist there is a naysayer. When there is 100% agreement between the climate folk I will stop & listen. In the future I may get a hybrid👍🏻

Cornersteady replied on 08/10/2018 20:43

Posted on 08/10/2018 18:56 by redface

So, to get back to the OP, 'What shall we do about it' ,seems there is little choice but to refrain from caravanning, motor-homing, camping, going on holiday by plane, nipping down town to go shopping by car etc.

Perhaps we should all stay at home and grow veg in our back gardens - except that I am not a veggie, will need to go down town to get meat and am therefore unlikely to be the saviour of this planet.

I agree that ice ages come and go, so the opposite is that global warming also comes and goes.

I shall try not to panic!

Posted on 08/10/2018 20:43

I agree entirely. 

Cornersteady replied on 08/10/2018 20:45

Posted on 08/10/2018 19:53 by Rocky 2 buckets

I’ll be doing nothing to change my lifestyle. My Diesel driving is here to stay. Being dictated to by anyone in an ivory tower does no favours for their honesty or credentials. For every climate changist there is a naysayer. When there is 100% agreement between the climate folk I will stop & listen. In the future I may get a hybrid👍🏻

Posted on 08/10/2018 20:45

again +1

I have considered a hybrid but only to save money on fuel and its cheaper to run - nothing else.

Cornersteady replied on 08/10/2018 20:58

Posted on 08/10/2018 18:21 by Hedgehurst

I'm truly not seeking to be provocative, but feel that given that the club's magazine is basically a lot of advertising with articles added, sometimes advertorial articles, it can't help being, in effect, a lobbying organisation, though that's not a word I used.

It's big, it reaches a lot of people in the caravan/MH world, it sells things. So it's influential. Hence my feeling that it has a certain responsibility, and so my  post in the other topic.

I hope that putting it this way doesn't sound too red-raggish smile

Posted on 08/10/2018 20:58

The club is a organisation for caravaners and motor-homers, funded by us and it should use its 'influence' on matters relating to that, and not on issues such as this. The subject of global warming has divided opinions in the 'real world' as well as those already shown on here, why should it use resources when there is no real consensus from members?

Would you expect the club to start using its influence on political issues or which party to support? Of course not. There are other organisations for that and if you feel strongly then get them to do the lobbying.

Also perhaps when you personally lead by example, give up holidays with a van and use a bike and tent you might get more credence.

mickysf replied on 08/10/2018 21:16

Posted on 08/10/2018 20:45 by Cornersteady

again +1

I have considered a hybrid but only to save money on fuel and its cheaper to run - nothing else.

Posted on 08/10/2018 21:16

But the reason why hybrids are now increasingly available, why diesels are becoming increasingly expensive to own and run, why so much is being spent on developing lighter vehicles and less polluting technologies is purely down to the 'evidence' being presented. What technology is available to us and those choices we make in the future is already being driven and determined by the global warming agenda. For all those protestations and folk in denial I'm afraid 'it' is already being 'done' to us. Like it or not, the agenda appears to be unstoppable and irreversible, unfortunately and possibly just like global warming itself.

brue replied on 08/10/2018 21:31

Posted on 08/10/2018 20:45 by Cornersteady

again +1

I have considered a hybrid but only to save money on fuel and its cheaper to run - nothing else.

Posted on 08/10/2018 21:31

It's unlikely that hybrids will prove to be as efficient as EVs, EV development is increasing rapidly but a small hybrid battery won't get you very far and you're still left with polluting emissions. The club are no doubt aware of the changes coming to the vehicle industry and it's in all our interests that they are, particularly the development of EVs which can tow or maybe the non fossil fuelled motorhomes of the future.

No doubt the caravan, motorhome and tow car industry will be working on the various possibilities and infrastructure needed in the future whether or not anyone on here opts for something different at present. smile

replied on 08/10/2018 21:55

Posted on 08/10/2018 18:21 by Hedgehurst

I'm truly not seeking to be provocative, but feel that given that the club's magazine is basically a lot of advertising with articles added, sometimes advertorial articles, it can't help being, in effect, a lobbying organisation, though that's not a word I used.

It's big, it reaches a lot of people in the caravan/MH world, it sells things. So it's influential. Hence my feeling that it has a certain responsibility, and so my  post in the other topic.

I hope that putting it this way doesn't sound too red-raggish smile

Posted on 08/10/2018 21:55

I read The Times of Malta for news. 

Probably opened one put of the last 120 CC mags delivered here.

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