COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked

CG, ask yourself which nation is built upon individual rights and freedoms, and then consider just how well it is coping with astronomical case rates and the worst death rates in the whole World, by a very wide margin?

ttda,  Although the actual number of deaths in the world is led by the USA,  the deaths/million of population for the USA are actually slightly lower than ours. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I think even junior minister have a bag carrier for that sort of thing .  

The way I see it...

If enough folks exercise their right to not have the jab, and we all go back to ‘normal’ after the vaccination program, the virus will rip through the unvaccinated, resulting in more deaths>restrictions>lockdowns. What then for the freedoms of the vaccinated? 

It does seem that where there is a country under dictatorship methods ,more control  of the virus seems? to be working

I often think that while the internet is fantastic (after all it makes CT possible) there is a down side that those who do not follow or understand conventional mainstream thinking and science (being polite there) are able to spread their views far too easily.

Many a time when working I had to debunk the latest conspiracy/idea students had seen on youtube. Some of it is harmless (like flat earth) but anti vaccination ideas are certainly not. 

So really unless the current laws are changed 'education' is the best tool we have. I know it is obvious to us that have the vaccine is the best way forward but the government may need to have some plan to get the idea across to others? 

If you want some amusement and are not too easily influenced, just view the Good Morning Interview with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn.

Mr Corbyn has just about every false message and crank theories off pat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elf6h_K4JH0

I think the virus will probably be around for many years and will mutate several times, or so the scientists say.

There may be a risk of currently unknown side effects of the vax but these are likely to be much less serious than the risk of catching Covid, especially to the at risk groups so, all in all, I think it is a matter of social responsibility for us to consider how our actions might impinge on others as well as on ourselves.

Getting vaccinated may not stop us carrying the disease but it is designed to stop us becoming seriously ill and possibly dying. In turn, that will relieve the burden on the NHS. Not having the vax leaves those very people vulnerable to catching the virus and maybe dying. It certainly means those unvaccinated folk will spread the disease thus putting the NHS and its staff under stress and at risk.

That's all pretty obvious to most of us but perhaps we can help the overall take up rate by trying to enlighten others and encouraging them to see the bigger picture.

It’s a rather draconian view but there is a thought that people who refuse the vax for no valid reason should be listed as such with any subsequent future treatment for covid adjusted accordingly. I can understand that view even though it goes against the ways of our country.

You only hear what they want you to hear.

I wonder what percentage of the over 50's need to be vaccinated to achieve good overall control of the virus now and in the future? 

It certainly means those unvaccinated folk will spread the disease thus putting the NHS and its staff under stress and at risk.

Unless the vax is proven to prevent the spread of the disease it will continue to be spread by anyone unfortunate enough to catch it, whether they have been vaccinated or not.