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Rufs replied on 31/12/2020 09:57
Posted on 31/12/2020 09:44 by Cornersteadya good point, and will other countries demand that those travelling into it will be vaccinated?
JVB66 replied on 31/12/2020 09:57
Posted on 31/12/2020 09:45 by CornersteadyProf Hugh Montgomery, professor of intensive care medicine at University College London, said: "It is making me actually very angry now that people are laying the blame on the virus, and it is not the virus, it is people, people are not washing their hands, they are not wearing their masks."
Posted on 31/12/2020 09:57
Grand daughter who is working at Tesco before return to Notts Uni says they have noticed a marked increase in those "exempt?" from wearing masks a couple of weeks ago seem not so exempt , now it has really taken off in this are
The NHS ward sister I see when walking Rosa has said in the past ,all these "antivaxer/denyers ,could well do with giving us some help on the Virus wards ,it would also save money on PPE as they would not need it 
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DavidKlyne replied on 31/12/2020 10:10
Posted on 31/12/2020 08:22 by LLMInteresting comments. But why my question is why has the idea of longer gaps between jabs has been been suggested by a group of eminent scientists?
Posted on 31/12/2020 10:10
I imagine it's the need to break the chain of infections especially with this mutant strain that seems to be more infectious. All the studies seem to suggest that the first dose, after 2/3 weeks, gives good protection to those that have it. So the more people that can't catch it and pass it on the better chance of breaking that chain. The thought process will be that if more people in vulnerable groups have the vaccine you will start to see a steady decrease in hospital admissions and more importantly deaths which are more prevalent in that group. Much of the action that has been taken in regard to COVID is to reduce the impact on the NHS. Vaccinating the vulnerably, 60+ and key workers help to slow the rate of infection but it won't get rid of COVID just make it more manageable. By and large people under the age of 60 who are relatively healthy are not badly affected by the virus. I am sure the plan is to give everyone the vaccine eventually. As to who these scientist are I am not sure, but but I am sure a Google will furnish their names including an ex PM who has also been promoting the idea. Whilst the current administration won't admit they have listened they seem to have accepted the logic.
David
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Cornersteady replied on 31/12/2020 10:21
Posted on 31/12/2020 09:57 by Rufsslightly irrelevant as of end of today, because the UK is not on the EU covid safe list and until we get put on that list travel into the EU is forbidden, can think of 1 person overthere who will make life difficult for us
brue replied on 31/12/2020 10:34
Posted on 31/12/2020 10:10 by DavidKlyneI imagine it's the need to break the chain of infections especially with this mutant strain that seems to be more infectious. All the studies seem to suggest that the first dose, after 2/3 weeks, gives good protection to those that have it. So the more people that can't catch it and pass it on the better chance of breaking that chain. The thought process will be that if more people in vulnerable groups have the vaccine you will start to see a steady decrease in hospital admissions and more importantly deaths which are more prevalent in that group. Much of the action that has been taken in regard to COVID is to reduce the impact on the NHS. Vaccinating the vulnerably, 60+ and key workers help to slow the rate of infection but it won't get rid of COVID just make it more manageable. By and large people under the age of 60 who are relatively healthy are not badly affected by the virus. I am sure the plan is to give everyone the vaccine eventually. As to who these scientist are I am not sure, but but I am sure a Google will furnish their names including an ex PM who has also been promoting the idea. Whilst the current administration won't admit they have listened they seem to have accepted the logic.
David
Posted on 31/12/2020 10:34
Our local medical centre web site gives links on an "all you want to know" basis to information about vaccines etc. This is quite a good one (specially for former PMs and other experts 
) I think the information is out there for anyone who delves into the internet.
Vaccine Knowledge LINK
(related to various disease control)
I presume, thanks to the NHS that this standard info is on all local medical centre web sites?
Freddy55 replied on 31/12/2020 10:42
Posted on 31/12/2020 08:23 by rutlandwarriorHow ironic you post about entrenched views and peer groups yet most on here are doing exactly that and nothing changes your minds. If someone doesn't want to have a vaccine thats their choice end of. I was going to add that its a free country but considering the views of a few on here I think you would rather it wasn't.
Takethedogalong replied on 31/12/2020 10:53
Posted on 31/12/2020 08:23 by rutlandwarriorHow ironic you post about entrenched views and peer groups yet most on here are doing exactly that and nothing changes your minds. If someone doesn't want to have a vaccine thats their choice end of. I was going to add that its a free country but considering the views of a few on here I think you would rather it wasn't.
Posted on 31/12/2020 10:53
CG, ask yourself which nation is built upon individual rights and freedoms, and then consider just how well it is coping with astronomical case rates and the worst death rates in the whole World, by a very wide margin? You could throw in the right to bear arms as well and that would give you another deaths statistic.
It’s partly the fact that many UK individuals put their self importance and lack of restraint in front of considering others that we are in the bad situation we are at the moment.
If this virus killed the thick and selfish it would seem if not kinder, then at least fairer. But it doesn’t, the vulnerable for one reason or another are the ones dying.
I don’t argue with your right not to want the vaccine. But I might just campaign to keep your choice away from others who are more sensible, or make you pay more for your insurance. (With exemptions for those who cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons)
Being on front line care for a month might focus a few more minds as well........
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LLM replied on 31/12/2020 10:55
Posted on 31/12/2020 10:10 by DavidKlyneI imagine it's the need to break the chain of infections especially with this mutant strain that seems to be more infectious. All the studies seem to suggest that the first dose, after 2/3 weeks, gives good protection to those that have it. So the more people that can't catch it and pass it on the better chance of breaking that chain. The thought process will be that if more people in vulnerable groups have the vaccine you will start to see a steady decrease in hospital admissions and more importantly deaths which are more prevalent in that group. Much of the action that has been taken in regard to COVID is to reduce the impact on the NHS. Vaccinating the vulnerably, 60+ and key workers help to slow the rate of infection but it won't get rid of COVID just make it more manageable. By and large people under the age of 60 who are relatively healthy are not badly affected by the virus. I am sure the plan is to give everyone the vaccine eventually. As to who these scientist are I am not sure, but but I am sure a Google will furnish their names including an ex PM who has also been promoting the idea. Whilst the current administration won't admit they have listened they seem to have accepted the logic.
David
Posted on 31/12/2020 10:55
As I understand it the vaccine does not prevent the virus being caught. It is said to prevents those that have been inoculated becoming very ill and possibly dying.
It seems at present it is not known if it will stop onward transmission, and if it does not then the rate of infection will not be slowed but the effects will be lessened.
Could the thought process simply be that by giving some protection with just one dose the number of people needing to be hospitalised will be decreased and that will relieve the NHS of some of the current burden.
Generally we are in agreement but it strikes me as a reaction to a crisis which may have repercussions if the virus finds a way past the half measure.
Incidentally there is no plan at present to vaccinated any one below 50 unless they are known to be vulnerable.
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LLM replied on 31/12/2020 11:04
Posted on 31/12/2020 10:42 by Freddy55Well, the way I see it, if not enough folks get vaccinated, we will never be “free”.
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