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LLM replied on 31/12/2020 14:21
Freddy55 replied on 31/12/2020 14:29
Tinwheeler replied on 31/12/2020 14:36
Posted on 31/12/2020 14:15 by LLMIt certainly means those unvaccinated folk will spread the disease thus putting the NHS and its staff under stress and at risk.
Unless the vax is proven to prevent the spread of the disease it will continue to be spread by anyone unfortunate enough to catch it, whether they have been vaccinated or not.
LLM replied on 31/12/2020 14:59
Posted on 31/12/2020 14:36 by TinwheelerYes, I acknowledged that. 3rd para.
Posted on 31/12/2020 14:59
Your 3rd para states:
It certainly means those unvaccinated folk will spread the disease thus putting the NHS and its staff under stress and at risk.
I'm making the point that unless the vax is proven to prevent the spread of the disease it will continue to be spread by anyone unfortunate enough to catch it, whether they have been vaccinated or not.
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Takethedogalong replied on 31/12/2020 15:01
Posted on 31/12/2020 11:17 by rutlandwarriorTo put the record straight i never said I was against vaccination but that people have the freedom to choose to without being called thick or selfish. As someone on here has already mentioned there have been numerous televised debates about vaccination and quite a few people on them opposed it so are they all thick and selfish NO. All I am saying is everyone has the right to their own opinion without being called names otherwise we have a dictatorship.
Posted on 31/12/2020 15:01
I am quite willing to swop the word “thick” for badly informed, lacking in education/research if that helps, but I stand by the selfish I am afraid. And if that constitutes a Dictatorship, then heaven help us is all I can say.
Taking a research based, persuasive, educated approach, encompassing as many folks as possible for the greater good of all, is simply common sense as far as I am concerned. If that means debunking conspiracy theories, getting religious and cultural leaders on board, using influential peer figures and groups to lead campaigns, doing something so that you will be there to see your loved ones grow up, help keep your older relatives and friends safe, then I fail to see how it can be anything less than a good thing.
Fear is something entirely different, and I can respect that, but again, education and a listening, reassuring approach might win over some doubters.
Bloody minded stands on principle, the “I’m not being told what to do” intransigence, that’s something else. Usually ends badly for someone.
You are either a willing part of the solution, or you are part of the problem. (Exempting of course all those who cannot for one reason or another medically be included) 🤷♀️
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Takethedogalong replied on 31/12/2020 15:04
Posted on 31/12/2020 12:34 by MikeyACG, ask yourself which nation is built upon individual rights and freedoms, and then consider just how well it is coping with astronomical case rates and the worst death rates in the whole World, by a very wide margin?
ttda, Although the actual number of deaths in the world is led by the USA, the deaths/million of population for the USA are actually slightly lower than ours.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
LLM replied on 31/12/2020 15:05
mylo replied on 31/12/2020 15:08
Tinwheeler replied on 31/12/2020 15:14
Posted on 31/12/2020 14:59 by LLMYour 3rd para states:
It certainly means those unvaccinated folk will spread the disease thus putting the NHS and its staff under stress and at risk.
I'm making the point that unless the vax is proven to prevent the spread of the disease it will continue to be spread by anyone unfortunate enough to catch it, whether they have been vaccinated or not.
Posted on 31/12/2020 15:14
Yes, as I said, I acknowledged that.
Perhaps the following extracts will help.
Vax’d folk - "Getting vaccinated may not stop us carrying the disease...."
Non vax'd folk - "It certainly means those folk will spread the disease..."
And the definition of a carrier -
An asymptomatic carrier (healthy carrier or just carrier) is a person or other organism that has become infected with a pathogen, but that displays no signs or symptoms. Although unaffected by the pathogen, carriers can transmit it to others or develop symptoms in later stages of the disease. Asymptomatic carriers play a critical role in the transmission of common infectious diseases such as typhoid, HIV, C. difficile, influenzas, cholera, tuberculosis and COVID-19.....
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Takethedogalong replied on 31/12/2020 15:19
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