We need more basic facility sites

harryb replied on 29/08/2022 21:08

Posted on 29/08/2022 21:08

With the mention of the closure of High Onn and given that the club seem fully intent on pressing forward with the expansion to full facility sites by upgrading with serviced pitches, and different forms of self catering in glamping, yurts, pods and even airstream caravans etc it seems that those members who are on a more limited budget or even those who just prefer basics, are getting left behind. You might say we can use the cl system and that’s exactly what is happening. This is showing there is a demand by the number of fully booked cl’s. So why can’t the club come down to the more basic forms of caravanning and find and expand this type of site within the network. There are big gaps in the geographical area of the UK that could be opened up by developing this type of site. No doubt there would be an initial outlay but nowhere near the scale of that of a large scale flagship type site. The basic sites in the network now are priced at £17 (£18 from next year) and this comes in on a par with basic cl’s. There are thousands of members who would jump at the chance of this type of site being run under the club banner. The following counties are lacking in club sites, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Norfolk and Suffolk, amongst others, would benefit from this type of site

This is how caravan sites started off please don’t allow them to die.

 

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Tinwheeler replied on 31/08/2022 12:17

Posted on 31/08/2022 11:51 by JVB66

We have been members since 1969 and have never had the sort of remarks that you had 

 in the early days after the second world war many department heads , area managers and site wardens were from the military , and at one point  the club was part owned by a caravan magazine 

 

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:17

I remember the warden sergeant major types very well☹️. That's why we joined C&CC instead 50 years ago.

JVB66 replied on 31/08/2022 12:21

Posted on 31/08/2022 11:41 by SteveL

I don’t think that’s surprising JVB, it’s mid week and the first day of term, in this area at least.

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:21

 It did not in the past be as empty as this on the west side where we are there were this morning 23 LVs on and this side has over 90 pitches 

This is the time that the (Us included) oldies used to resurface  again 

GEandGJE replied on 31/08/2022 12:29

Posted on 31/08/2022 11:56 by Cornersteady

That doesn't hold up in my view TTDA.

I'm sure there are those more basic Eco sites you talk of nearby every club site in Yorkshire?

Surely there are a multitude of CLs and/or other providers. I've just done a quick search of CLs in north Yorkshire alone and it's 15 pages long! They could spend their money there rather than simply choose a club site. The club will think we're filling up our Yorkshire site quite nicely, if people wanted something different they would go elsewhere wouldn't they? Why would they keep coming back and keep re-joining if it's not what they want?

Yet with all that choice people are still using club sites. I've said it before no one is forced to use a club site and there is most definitely plenty of choice, the club offers one thing but one doesn't have to choose it if it's not what you want. 

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:29

In your last paragraph

"Yet with all that choice people are still using club sites. I've said it before no one is forced to use a club site and there is most definitely plenty of choice, the club offers one thing but one doesn't have to choose it if it's not what you want."  

Haven't you just given the OP the answer to his question. (in your opinion)

DavidKlyne replied on 31/08/2022 12:29

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:18 by peedee

That is no reason not to post a view point even if on occasions you need a thick skin or have to bite your lip. At least Steve posts on here and is willing to complete surveys, many won't even do that.  I think  I have read somewhere only 12 pecent of members bother to complete suirveys and a similar amount are active members of Club Centres. Much of the feedback to the Executive comes from the Centres and Regions. Surveys are a recent introduction, perhaps in an effort to get wider feedback.

peedee

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:29

Peedee

They do mention in the September magazine they had 76000 responses from site surveys which seems quite an impressive number. What we don't know is how many  survey requests actually sent out and not responded to?

David

Takethedogalong replied on 31/08/2022 12:31

Posted on 31/08/2022 11:56 by Cornersteady

That doesn't hold up in my view TTDA.

I'm sure there are those more basic Eco sites you talk of nearby every club site in Yorkshire?

Surely there are a multitude of CLs and/or other providers. I've just done a quick search of CLs in north Yorkshire alone and it's 15 pages long! They could spend their money there rather than simply choose a club site. The club will think we're filling up our Yorkshire site quite nicely, if people wanted something different they would go elsewhere wouldn't they? Why would they keep coming back and keep re-joining if it's not what they want?

Yet with all that choice people are still using club sites. I've said it before no one is forced to use a club site and there is most definitely plenty of choice, the club offers one thing but one doesn't have to choose it if it's not what you want. 

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:31

Thanks Corners😁 You have just told me to do what DG did at AGM😁 Yes, there are lots of CLs and eco pitches elsewhere in Yorkshire. We know because we use them. We have taken to Britstops and the like as well. We are going elsewhere almost every tour out nowadays.

It would just be better to have the choice on a Club Site. Choice of hook up or not, choice of facilities or not. At a more appropriate price.😁

 

JVB66 replied on 31/08/2022 12:33

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:11 by young thomas

..and this is the major gap in 'the clubs extensive offering'...the opportunity to be on the same area as others, using the same facilities but not paying for one of the most expensive elements of the price...the electricity.

having one (or two) non EHU pitches (often closed) but a nice price banner on the website showing they're on offer, doesn't really cut it.

JK suggests that non EHU pitches wouldn't get used and, presumably, all CAMC member want more and more facilities like service pitches...

that might be (have been) the way things were going but the last six months will have a been a hard slap in the touring budget for a great many....pensioners especially.

as touring numbers fail away, with Mr Average not able to pay £40 or more per night, sites (not just CAMC) will need to realign their product to customers' expectation and ability to pay.

with electricity costs being such an unprecedented driver, non facs and non EHU sites/pitches may well be the way to go...it's just so easy to remove a fuse from a bollard...

this gives a fair offering to all customers, otherwise it certainly will become the preserve of the Discovery & Buccaneer set😉

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:33

All bollards on club sites are MCBs not fuses and it needs "qualified persons"to do anything except test when some.  one trips a bollardsurprised 

Hence a lot of what in the past wardens would sort out now has been contracted to out sources companies (at a price)

Navigateur replied on 31/08/2022 12:34

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:34

with electricity costs being such an unprecedented driver, non facs and non EHU sites/pitches may well be the way to go...it's just so easy to remove a fuse from a bollard...

Not really.   The installation cost will be set to be recouped over many years, so who pays the outstanding ballance if an EHU is taken out of use . . . ?  Of course, everyone else!

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 31/08/2022 12:36

Posted on 31/08/2022 11:51 by JVB66

We have been members since 1969 and have never had the sort of remarks that you had 

 in the early days after the second world war many department heads , area managers and site wardens were from the military , and at one point  the club was part owned by a caravan magazine 

 

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:36

JV, that sounds very accurate & fair, you are of that generation TDA was talking about. You too look down on younger people & view them with total disdain. That attitude is slowly being left behind with the proponents of that attitude gladly👍🏻

JVB66 replied on 31/08/2022 12:43

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:36 by Rocky 2 buckets

JV, that sounds very accurate & fair, you are of that generation TDA was talking about. You too look down on younger people & view them with total disdain. That attitude is slowly being left behind with the proponents of that attitude gladly👍🏻

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:43

You really do talk from a different planet very often🤔

Where are young people mentioned?undecided

Takethedogalong replied on 31/08/2022 12:57

Posted on 31/08/2022 11:51 by JVB66

We have been members since 1969 and have never had the sort of remarks that you had 

 in the early days after the second world war many department heads , area managers and site wardens were from the military , and at one point  the club was part owned by a caravan magazine 

 

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:57

Lucky you JV. We joined at North Ledaig, an affiliated site, had a great week, then moved back down into England and wanted a few nights on a Club Site. We were 23 years old, touring in an old tiny camper with a pop roof. We were made to open the doors for inspection, demonstrate how the bed worked, put the pop top roof up, and got a lecture on our quiet, on a lead, sat obediently down Rottweiler. In front of other Members of course, all avidly having a good gawp at the youngsters daring to use a Club Site. We were polite, jumped through all the hoops and obstacles, endured the soured faced martinet and her audience, chuckled when she ran out of options not to let us stay, and then decided that a nice family run site in Cornwall was a better place to be for the next ten years, not renewing our Membership until the next decade. 

But we digress. This thread is about giving today’s Membership choice. I would counter the “but folks want fully serviced, don’t have to exert oneself physically in any way, it has to be easy, no matter the price” with a report in Guardian that says the basic little pop up campsites are thriving, and want to keep the opening extension granted to them via COVID rather than revert back to the 28 days maximum. There is a market. 

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