We need more basic facility sites

harryb replied on 29/08/2022 21:08

Posted on 29/08/2022 21:08

With the mention of the closure of High Onn and given that the club seem fully intent on pressing forward with the expansion to full facility sites by upgrading with serviced pitches, and different forms of self catering in glamping, yurts, pods and even airstream caravans etc it seems that those members who are on a more limited budget or even those who just prefer basics, are getting left behind. You might say we can use the cl system and that’s exactly what is happening. This is showing there is a demand by the number of fully booked cl’s. So why can’t the club come down to the more basic forms of caravanning and find and expand this type of site within the network. There are big gaps in the geographical area of the UK that could be opened up by developing this type of site. No doubt there would be an initial outlay but nowhere near the scale of that of a large scale flagship type site. The basic sites in the network now are priced at £17 (£18 from next year) and this comes in on a par with basic cl’s. There are thousands of members who would jump at the chance of this type of site being run under the club banner. The following counties are lacking in club sites, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Norfolk and Suffolk, amongst others, would benefit from this type of site

This is how caravan sites started off please don’t allow them to die.

 

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Takethedogalong replied on 31/08/2022 13:49

Posted on 31/08/2022 13:37 by SteveL

Perhaps it will improve tomorrow when the price reduces a bit.

Posted on 31/08/2022 13:49

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Your timing is spot on Steve😁

 

 

Cornersteady replied on 31/08/2022 14:02

Posted on 31/08/2022 13:44 by young thomas

Agreed, and the write down period could be made as long as is necessary.

In 'many places' there are different ways of allowing the customer the choice not to take electric...

...locked bollards..

...removed (or even adjusted for amperage) breakers

...honesty...now there's a thing😉 (as ET mentioned upthread)

...meters, where no electric is actually used

the issue is whether the club wants to add this sort of pitch to its offering or not.

if it doesn't, and customers just get faced with costs rising ever faster due to the electric component, we might see some reducing the number of nights they take, others going elsewhere or even giving up.

either way, you'd think the club must be keeping a close eye on occupancy and be prepared to react if things fall away...

better still, preempt the situation and get some options on the table..

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:02

For someone who is not going to use club sites ever again and won't be affected you do have much advice for the club BB. 

Is 'many places' aboard? I assume so as otherwise why out it in speech marks? 

We might see...

Again this has been said many times down the years, a few times by yourself, but who knows this time you might be right.

But the thing is BB it is not just the club(s) have have these rises and inclusive EHU, it is the norm across other sites in the UK and remember there are more expensive ones out there, so what happens if the club does have metering and/or a non EHU option? Then perhaps people will go where it is I would say. Are metering and sites with the EHU option full? Are people preferring those? Even PD uses club sites on his tours.

 

Cornersteady replied on 31/08/2022 14:14

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:11 by young thomas

..and this is the major gap in 'the clubs extensive offering'...the opportunity to be on the same area as others, using the same facilities but not paying for one of the most expensive elements of the price...the electricity.

having one (or two) non EHU pitches (often closed) but a nice price banner on the website showing they're on offer, doesn't really cut it.

JK suggests that non EHU pitches wouldn't get used and, presumably, all CAMC member want more and more facilities like service pitches...

that might be (have been) the way things were going but the last six months will have a been a hard slap in the touring budget for a great many....pensioners especially.

as touring numbers fail away, with Mr Average not able to pay £40 or more per night, sites (not just CAMC) will need to realign their product to customers' expectation and ability to pay.

with electricity costs being such an unprecedented driver, non facs and non EHU sites/pitches may well be the way to go...it's just so easy to remove a fuse from a bollard...

this gives a fair offering to all customers, otherwise it certainly will become the preserve of the Discovery & Buccaneer set😉

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:14

I do wish you would be at least a little accurate in your posts BB?

having one (or two) non EHU pitches (often closed) but a nice price banner on the website showing they're on offer, doesn't really cut it.

One or two pitches?  Across our network, 18 of our campsites are offering non-electric pitch stays from just £9.60 a night (for one adult and a pitch), providing excellent value for money.

The club will indeed note their use and of course how profitable they are. If they start to become so then who knows?

And I ask how do you know they are often closed? Have you been to all 18 sites? 

 

JK suggests that non EHU pitches wouldn't get used and, presumably, all CAMC member want more and more facilities like service pitches..

JK made no such suggestion at all, he merely gave you his view on the uptake if the option of having EHU was given, nothing at all about non EHU, a totally different thing in my view and of course the club's (see above definition but I'm sure you'll have a different view but the fact remains they are not the same thing in the club's eyes).

Also it is the view of a serving warden with more experience of club site users over the years than yourself with respect and with equal respect his 'view' or suggestion certainly carries more weight? And he most certainly did not presume or suggest anything about members wanting more and more facilities.

harryb replied on 31/08/2022 14:22

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:22

Looking back over the last twelve pages there has been a favourable response to my topic. Given the number of likes in my OP and my two other add on replies there are many in favour. Plus a post in support received a number of likes. Those 'likes' amounted to 34 and that doesn't include the actual replies in person in support. It just goes to show then that basic and low cost sites are in demand.

 

Cornersteady replied on 31/08/2022 14:42

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:22 by harryb

Looking back over the last twelve pages there has been a favourable response to my topic. Given the number of likes in my OP and my two other add on replies there are many in favour. Plus a post in support received a number of likes. Those 'likes' amounted to 34 and that doesn't include the actual replies in person in support. It just goes to show then that basic and low cost sites are in demand.

 

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:42

What amazing extrapolation harry!

34 likes and how many are repeat like from the same poster?

Ok 17 likes on your OP. Are these 17 truly representative of all the membership or rather than that those that use club sites in their thousands, if not hundreds of thousands across a year? You know representative in terms of age, sex, employment status, family or couples, income... As far as I can tell those in favour are all mostly retired?

It just goes to show then that basic and low cost sites are in demand.

You can really say that from 17 separate likes? Really all you can say is that of those really very very few posters on CT compared to the all site users on real sites it is in demand. In any case I've counted about ten singular posts that are against your idea? And of course as we don't have dislikes you've no real idea what the score is? On another thread people are complaining (rightly) about 36 actual people giving answers not being enough for a survey and you're basing it on 17 likes?

Any way it's not CT you have to convince but the club so if you're really that keen get some pressure from more than 17 likes to get the club to make some changes? Form a group, get a petition,  raise the matter through club channels and the AGM. If there is as much support as you say you can't lose.

Takethedogalong replied on 31/08/2022 14:56

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:56

I am currently receiving all sorts of emails from HQ offering me this, that and the other. Tour for less, use a Glamping Pod, consider a seasonal pitch, do I want storage, plenty of pitches at this and that Site. My email preferences are off. All I should get are the essential must know stuff, not all the hard sell stuff. Never had them before.

My marketing brain cells have laid practically dormant since I left work, but I am wondering about things Club wise at the moment. I am wondering if the little bubbles have started bursting and there’s a need to fill some of the empty pitches, rake in some of the disposable income prior to what is going to be a pretty hard financial Winter for the Club’s core Membership of retiree’s? 

🤔 Sorry Club. But I have my eyes on a return to a nice cosy little cottage for two, priced at £42 per night. Dishwasher, central heating, free wifi, ensuite bathroom, free welcome hamper and dog treats, private garden and two pubs across the road. Views, walks and cycling outside the door. 👍

 

JVB66 replied on 31/08/2022 14:57

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:42 by Cornersteady

What amazing extrapolation harry!

34 likes and how many are repeat like from the same poster?

Ok 17 likes on your OP. Are these 17 truly representative of all the membership or rather than that those that use club sites in their thousands, if not hundreds of thousands across a year? You know representative in terms of age, sex, employment status, family or couples, income... As far as I can tell those in favour are all mostly retired?

It just goes to show then that basic and low cost sites are in demand.

You can really say that from 17 separate likes? Really all you can say is that of those really very very few posters on CT compared to the all site users on real sites it is in demand. In any case I've counted about ten singular posts that are against your idea? And of course as we don't have dislikes you've no real idea what the score is? On another thread people are complaining (rightly) about 36 actual people giving answers not being enough for a survey and you're basing it on 17 likes?

Any way it's not CT you have to convince but the club so if you're really that keen get some pressure from more than 17 likes to get the club to make some changes? Form a group, get a petition,  raise the matter through club channels and the AGM. If there is as much support as you say you can't lose.

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:57

that is  in a couole of days it took the April survey  months to look at 36 survey results as to what members wanted

JVB66 replied on 31/08/2022 15:04

Posted on 31/08/2022 12:59 by Takethedogalong

JV, myself and OH were the young people. Confronted with a different generation and mindset🤷‍♀️ Judgemental, stereotypical in their outlook?

Posted on 31/08/2022 15:04

I was 26 when we joined this club with a very old Robin caravan with no electricity and gas mantles lighting so do not understand what you are trying to say

Ps our tow car was an quite rusty Austin A55

 

brue replied on 31/08/2022 15:26

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:22 by harryb

Looking back over the last twelve pages there has been a favourable response to my topic. Given the number of likes in my OP and my two other add on replies there are many in favour. Plus a post in support received a number of likes. Those 'likes' amounted to 34 and that doesn't include the actual replies in person in support. It just goes to show then that basic and low cost sites are in demand.

 

Posted on 31/08/2022 15:26

I think that's a reasonable assumption Harryb and the thread has sparked a lot of positive responses. 

There is an unknown factor due to rising costs but it's worth some attention, we don't know what the club's contingency plans are in the face of a major downturn but many on here know what back to basics means and in all sorts of contexts. smile

DavidKlyne replied on 31/08/2022 15:34

Posted on 31/08/2022 14:22 by harryb

Looking back over the last twelve pages there has been a favourable response to my topic. Given the number of likes in my OP and my two other add on replies there are many in favour. Plus a post in support received a number of likes. Those 'likes' amounted to 34 and that doesn't include the actual replies in person in support. It just goes to show then that basic and low cost sites are in demand.

 

Posted on 31/08/2022 15:34

I am not sure that the majority fundamentally disagree with you, it would be nice if there were more of that type of site. If they were like Hebden Bridge or even Stamford, both very popular, I would be happy to make use of them if they were where I wanted to be. Where I perhaps differ is the actual reality of making that extra provision. I just don't see where  such sites would come from? Perhaps the best bet would be former CL's that decide to expand but immediately they do that they are outside the orbit of the CMC. Would the club be prepared to work in Partnership with such sites, I imagine that perhaps they wouldn't? 

David

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