We need more basic facility sites

harryb replied on 29/08/2022 21:08

Posted on 29/08/2022 21:08

With the mention of the closure of High Onn and given that the club seem fully intent on pressing forward with the expansion to full facility sites by upgrading with serviced pitches, and different forms of self catering in glamping, yurts, pods and even airstream caravans etc it seems that those members who are on a more limited budget or even those who just prefer basics, are getting left behind. You might say we can use the cl system and that’s exactly what is happening. This is showing there is a demand by the number of fully booked cl’s. So why can’t the club come down to the more basic forms of caravanning and find and expand this type of site within the network. There are big gaps in the geographical area of the UK that could be opened up by developing this type of site. No doubt there would be an initial outlay but nowhere near the scale of that of a large scale flagship type site. The basic sites in the network now are priced at £17 (£18 from next year) and this comes in on a par with basic cl’s. There are thousands of members who would jump at the chance of this type of site being run under the club banner. The following counties are lacking in club sites, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Norfolk and Suffolk, amongst others, would benefit from this type of site

This is how caravan sites started off please don’t allow them to die.

 

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Tinwheeler replied on 31/08/2022 10:36

Posted on 31/08/2022 09:56 by KjellNN

The problem with expressing a view about anything on CT is that it is not left at that, instead it becomes a debate or even an argument.

 

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:36

Isn't debate the very basis of a discussion forum?

It would be a very bland place if no one replied to someone's point.

 

JVB66 replied on 31/08/2022 10:38

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:28 by Takethedogalong

I understand fully what the Club are doing. 

If you don’t provide something, let’s say non hook up pitches, or on a larger scale, non facility Sites, then you don’t give people a choice. The statistics will say, no one uses them (pure statistics, not those that qualifying the true picture, they aren’t there to use😡) so the Club could say that usage doesn’t warrant further development of such pitches/sites. (Marazion was heaving last year, we couldn’t extend our stay, so the market is there)

Neglect, underfund, close, that’s the cycle for these lovely little affordable gems. As ex hard working staff have evidenced for us, and not just High Onn, JK has revived his Site by the sound of it. 

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:38

I Agree with you as to what seems to be the clubs latest mode of operation 

JKs site in the southwest is more a sign of how many more LVs are around in the last few years and in a popular area at a reasonable price as you mentioned with Marazion rather than the all facilities prices of other sites 

I understand that Bourton on the water (Notgrove)has also seen an increase in usage

Cornersteady replied on 31/08/2022 10:42

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:18 by peedee

That is no reason not to post a view point even if on occasions you need a thick skin or have to bite your lip. At least Steve posts on here and is willing to complete surveys, many won't even do that.  I think  I have read somewhere only 12 pecent of members bother to complete suirveys and a similar amount are active members of Club Centres. Much of the feedback to the Executive comes from the Centres and Regions. Surveys are a recent introduction, perhaps in an effort to get wider feedback.

peedee

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:42

Isn't the greatest and best survey the one where pitches are actually bought and sites used? The club offers a range of differing sites and locations and it can easily see what sells and what doesn't?

Like I said a far more accurate picture of what its members really want. Or is that too simple an approach? because it doesn't agree with what I want?

You've said yourself that sites have pretty good occupancy and was Melrose showing many or any empty pitches when you were there? It's always full or very close when I go? If the club is somehow getting it wrong then this wouldn't be the case on this site and others?

Cornersteady replied on 31/08/2022 10:44

Posted on 31/08/2022 09:56 by KjellNN

The problem with expressing a view about anything on CT is that it is not left at that, instead it becomes a debate or even an argument.

 

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:44

The real problem is that for some a debate is where you agree with me, an argument is when you don't?

Tinwheeler replied on 31/08/2022 10:45

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:01 by young thomas

...but folk don't buy 14 jumpers all at once...😉

a member taking a fortnights holiday at a £30 a night club site is shelling out £420! That's a huge amount for a stay on a campsite.

it's these type of numbers that will prevent the type of member Harry mentions from being able to take that holiday with CAMC.

And yes, as some so rightly keep telling us, it's very simple....if you can't afford it, bad luck go somewhere else.

...but I'm sure that wasn't the ethos the club was built on all those years ago.

things change, times are tough....for customers and the club, but it isn't rocket science for the club to come up with an offering that keeps customers on pitches but takes the increasing sting out of those ever rising electricity increases.

it doesn't affect some (who keep telling us) as they are financially able to continue, but others being pushed away by prices have been members a long, long time and see the Club as the only way to tour...

being left with the option of cough up of give up...now that will be a hard decision.

I can afford club sites, but I've taken the above 'very simple' recommendation: I have chosen not to use them.

We will be going elsewhere, at £10-£12 a night in the uk and €0-€20 overseas.

I wish the OP and others in that position the best.

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:45

I'm afraid that, like TG, you have completely missed my point.

Your comment "but I'm sure that wasn't the ethos the club was built on all those years ago" I'm not sure is correct. From what I've heard and remember, the club was a very elitist organisation aimed very much at the better off who could afford it. Thankfully, it has moved on considerably since those times and, like you, I wish those not finding present times easy, the very best. 

SteveL replied on 31/08/2022 10:58

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:12 by young thomas

DSB said...

"Just trying to book a serviced pitch at Devizes C&CC site for dates in September.... nothing available for my dates.... the nearest serviced pitch I can find is at Stonehenge (Private site), which is just around half an hour from Devizes - I'm still looking."

are you really saying that, if you want to actually go to Devizes, you'd stay at Stonehenge just because they have a tap on the pitch?...and then drive to Devizes?

surely I've misunderstood?

if there isn't a service pitch at Devizes, won't you just shrug your shoulders and book a different pitch....at Devizes, where you actually want to be?

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:58

Your looking at it from the point of view of a MH owner. Devizes site is 4/ 5 miles from Devizes and you can walk / cycle to it along the canal and walk / bus back.  Great for us now we have a MH and we are booked in there next year. However, when we caravanned it wouldn’t have been as important, especially if intending to use the tow car.

JVB66 replied on 31/08/2022 10:59

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:45 by Tinwheeler

I'm afraid that, like TG, you have completely missed my point.

Your comment "but I'm sure that wasn't the ethos the club was built on all those years ago" I'm not sure is correct. From what I've heard and remember, the club was a very elitist organisation aimed very much at the better off who could afford it. Thankfully, it has moved on considerably since those times and, like you, I wish those not finding present times easy, the very best. 

Posted on 31/08/2022 10:59

You think so ?that is not how when we rallied it was for us but it is it seems becoming so with the way prices of sites are going and it will be even more so in the next few years it seems 

Even now talking to those here the next year for quite a few will be the crunch if they can stay members , even today there are 15 pitches empty in this area alone , on the West Side of FM

peedee replied on 31/08/2022 11:16

Posted on 31/08/2022 11:16

The Club does need more non facility sites but not out in the sticks! Sites like Steamer Quay are reported as doing well so the fact it has no facilities block is not a deterent to occupancy, it is the location that attracts. Sites like High Ong, isolated in the middle of nowhere are never going to be so attractive and if they are underused so as to be a burden on the Club, they should be closed.

peedee

Takethedogalong replied on 31/08/2022 11:20

Posted on 31/08/2022 11:20

Tinny is spot on with how the Club used to be. Very elitist, and I think at some point back in time, anyone looking to become a Member had to be referenced or sponsored by an existing Member? 

I still grit my teeth at the very first conversation I had with a Club Warden back in the early 1980’s. To be told “we don’t take your sort on here” as a welcome wasn’t what we expected. Thankfully, it’s moved on hugely in terms of attitude and how it treats customers.

But we are under no illusions, this is becoming a Membership scheme for those with a certain disposable income, who never balk at paying what prices the Club determines is a fair price for its Club Sites. Indifferent to the loss of anything where you don’t simply roll onto a pan flat bit of gravel, and plug into a tap and an EHU. 

Never mind, there’s still the CLs, as I was told at the AGM.

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