Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

JVB66 replied on 04/12/2022 13:36

Posted on 04/12/2022 13:36

As I have posted when we were at FM last the member with the very up market car and caravan outfit next to our very old PVC was  saying that if this club introduces metering to pitches he will not be using this  club sites again

 

mickysf replied on 04/12/2022 13:43

Posted on 04/12/2022 13:36 by JVB66

As I have posted when we were at FM last the member with the very up market car and caravan outfit was  saying that if this club introduces metering to pitches he will not be using this  club sites again

 

Posted on 04/12/2022 13:43

Shocked, I wonder why?😉

May be it’s the likes of him we are subsidising?

JVB66 replied on 04/12/2022 13:48

Posted on 04/12/2022 13:43 by mickysf

Shocked, I wonder why?😉

May be it’s the likes of him we are subsidising?

Posted on 04/12/2022 13:48

He would not elaborate, undecided but you are probably on the right trackwink

huskydog replied on 04/12/2022 13:52

Posted on 04/12/2022 13:52

So , what is the correct amount of electricity a member can use ? , because when I go on site I use as much as I need to make my stay comfortable, if I need the heating on I will put it on , you don’t go to a restaurant and order a meal then they tell you that you can’t eat all of what’s on the plate !

i just get on with my stay and I don’t care what other members get up to or do .

mickysf replied on 04/12/2022 14:01

Posted on 04/12/2022 13:52 by huskydog

So , what is the correct amount of electricity a member can use ? , because when I go on site I use as much as I need to make my stay comfortable, if I need the heating on I will put it on , you don’t go to a restaurant and order a meal then they tell you that you can’t eat all of what’s on the plate !

i just get on with my stay and I don’t care what other members get up to or do .

Posted on 04/12/2022 14:01

Agree Husky but there are those that take your biscuit, mine and many others too. The fact is at present we all pay the same regardless of how community minded we may be in attempting to achieve what you suggest. Is that the correct way/fair way? That restaurant will have costed the ingredients based not on the greedy wants of a few!

Navigateur replied on 04/12/2022 14:01

Posted on 04/12/2022 14:01

if this club introduces metering to pitches he will not be using this club sites again

That seems like a double bonus of reducing energy usage and increasing available pitches.

ChocolateTrees replied on 04/12/2022 14:09

Posted on 04/12/2022 13:52 by huskydog

So , what is the correct amount of electricity a member can use ? , because when I go on site I use as much as I need to make my stay comfortable, if I need the heating on I will put it on , you don’t go to a restaurant and order a meal then they tell you that you can’t eat all of what’s on the plate !

i just get on with my stay and I don’t care what other members get up to or do .

Posted on 04/12/2022 14:09

IMHO, the answer is as much as you like, metered and  paid for at the going rate. 
I imagine I am more or less average for electric use for a couple in a van, but want the option to be a very heavy user on the occasion I want to charge the car. I want to pay for that privilege at the going rate too. 

huskydog replied on 04/12/2022 14:53

Posted on 04/12/2022 14:53

At the end of the day it is up to the “club” to get price right for charging for electric use and cover their costs  , and not down to me to monitor it . If I was in to energy saving I would not be on holiday in the first place 

mickysf replied on 04/12/2022 14:53

Posted on 04/12/2022 14:09 by ChocolateTrees

IMHO, the answer is as much as you like, metered and  paid for at the going rate. 
I imagine I am more or less average for electric use for a couple in a van, but want the option to be a very heavy user on the occasion I want to charge the car. I want to pay for that privilege at the going rate too. 

Posted on 04/12/2022 14:53

Yes, we should definitely pay for our own consumption. My stance however was, until recently, that of Husky’s. Recent events have caused a wake up call around the world and the vast majority of us now really do question our personal energy use and costs. Is that because it really is just beginning to bite us now? I’m sure most of us are making every effort to reduce that impact but we also understand the plight of those who are in real fuel poverty. Although currently comfortable I’m not so well off to ignore the facts or turn a blind eye to the plight of those that are. This thread is not about them but it is about what could be done, given the financial constraints etc., to achieve everyone getting on, paying their way. In our chosen leisure time I’m sure those who ‘eat as much as they possibly can’ are not on here debating solutions although they are continuing to contribute to the problems and issues surrounding it. I’d bet they don’t care but I suspect we all do!

 

replied on 04/12/2022 14:53

Posted on 04/12/2022 14:09 by ChocolateTrees

IMHO, the answer is as much as you like, metered and  paid for at the going rate. 
I imagine I am more or less average for electric use for a couple in a van, but want the option to be a very heavy user on the occasion I want to charge the car. I want to pay for that privilege at the going rate too. 

Posted on 04/12/2022 14:53

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