Is EHU metering a good investment?

Yes I do know and I was responding to you as you had used that value to "allay plenty of fears", so are you suggesting that the club has a summer pitch price deduction and a winter price deduction, or are you suggesting something different.

The thing is that it's not the Government, and I use that word in a neutral way, is not offering this concession it seems to be the Club and associated organisations are putting the suggestion forward. If it were up to me I would prefer, whatever Government was in power to direct any help to where it was most needed and I don't see people who use Club sites and those of associated organisations as being the most in need. I think that is being as apolitical as I can reasonably be?

David

Electric car charging companies are charging between 75p and 90p per kWh. When domestic electricity was 15p they charged about 30p to 40p

If the same margin is maintained, that puts the commercial cost at 60p give or take. Call it an educated guess.

A pound a night differential, whether for HS or EHU, is neither here nor there. Any differential would need to be £5 to be worthwhile. Whether that would tie in with real world consumption I couldn't say.

Some have mentioned 40kw!? (from memory) for a winter 24hr period with most van kit on full chat.

obviously, at the guessed figure above of 60p a unit, this would amount to nearly £15 for the electric, so that's both unsustainable as an add on (no one would take that up, would they?) and as a (non-EHU) reduction offered from the normally lower out of season price...no site is going to take £15 off a 'normally' £25-£29 a night winter pitch...as an example, Minehead is currently £29 a night.

so, if the above usage/cost figures are roughly right, where does that leave sites and campers?

obviously, CLs with much lower headline prices will start to look far more expensive if these sort of figures are factored in.

Even larger sites with incl electric won't be able to maintain a lower winter pitch price with users gobbling power as above...

So all sites (large and small) will be hamstrung between taking a hit on leccy to avoid a massive inclusive price and offering a discount for non-EHU which provides a sensible differential so that the site isnt out of pocket but campers don't feel priced out of the, usually lower, winter prices.

campers will need to look hard at what a winter pitch offers if half the price (or more) is going to be the electric charge.

I guess, as there isn't usually a decent chance for solar assistance in winter in the uk, that non-EHU just won't be taken up, so sites will have to construct their inclusive prices carefully over the year to remain viable.

loading prices (even) more at peak (to balance the books) doesn't seem a good (or fair) idea, especially with far less electric used so each provider will have to look very closely at its upcoming financials.

I imagine the market might gravitate to a situation with less sites being open in the winter as the power costs can only be recouped by high prices and campers will feel cheap off season touring is difficult to find in the uk with far fewer 'winter bargains' around.

it might make longer stays in warmer climes more attractive out of season, where winter temperatures are a lot better and, currently, power prices are reasonable.

Totally agree with this, David. I would far rather help is given to the very needy, All I was saying was that if it suits them this government will do ‘it’. You will know like the rest of us that we have seen their action cause even more of us to become needy and miserable.

I have family members living in Eastern Spain who have energy prices ramped up by 65%+, that was early September. I guess the trek to warmer climes will need fuel for a vehicle to get there to save money on energy. . .Mmmm🤔

YT,

I am not sure 40kWh has been mentioned as a sensible usage? That would be a HUGE amount of electricity drawn by a single caravan or camper. Close to a constant 1.7kW for the entire 24h period. Even 24kWh would be pushing it for a “normal” user, but might be used in winter. 
If you add an awning heater, running 24h then you might approach that, but that is discouraged by the club and many CL. Car charging could take you close to that number, but even that would be tough without risk of tripping a breaker. 

However, 40kWh in a 24h period is possible, even on a 10a hookup. And at 60p/kWh that is £24 not £15. Completely unsustainable on a commercial pitch, as you say. 

CT, apologies for the appalling maths (let's call it a typo😉) ....I think it was PeeDee that mentioned this large number..

either way, even say 24kwh, that would produce the £15 I was referring to, so the rest of the post, and the potential unfolding scenarios, hold true.

You're right, and that's not cheap either....but I am referring to folk who might stay a little longer than a weekend😉

our costs are spread over 60-90 days so it doesn't (seem to) hurt quite as much.

this autumn electric costs were €0.40 a kWh. I'll be back again this spring so it'll be interesting to check on them.

im sure my upcoming contract has €0.40 in it.