Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

Takethedogalong replied on 03/12/2022 13:50

Posted on 03/12/2022 13:40 by

Where I camp the boxes are normally  open and we reset our own. Some places give one a key to unlock the boxes with instructions to lock them up again and return it. Nobody  does not if they want their neighbours to speak to them again.wink

Posted on 03/12/2022 13:50

Most places we stay and hook up, we can trip back on. I was thinking more around educating the serial tripper of the family😁

mickysf replied on 03/12/2022 14:01

Posted on 03/12/2022 13:24 by

I dont for one minute think  "off grid" pitches would be a source of dissent  amongst campers on sites where  its first come first served. 

Posted on 03/12/2022 14:01

I do hope that first come ethos remains but it’s been slowly eroded over recent years in various aspects of the club. At least we can still choose which pitch of booked type we want on arrival from all that are free from units and there are no limitations on the minimum length of stay, yet. Believe me, we have had dissent, some vociferous from ‘both’ sides regarding perceived inequalities over the years of CT. Nothing suggests to me it will never happen again. I hope not mind!

DavidKlyne replied on 03/12/2022 16:20

Posted on 03/12/2022 12:58 by

I also intended to say, but got distracted, that I find it sickening that commercial companies and so called "clubs" are attempting to get the government to reduce its income, thereby getting the taxpayer (us) to support their business.  If they want to keep attracting customers then they should reduce their own prices by whatever means they can.   

Posted on 03/12/2022 16:20

I can't see how it can be justified either. Basically we all had a freeby when they previously reduced VAT. I don't suppose many of us went camping because we got a few quid back from a VAT saving which just happen to coincide with a massive demand for campsites that had probably not been seen before. I appreciate that VAT is often a tool used by Government to create demand in the economy but that should be across the economy not parts of it. Families who are struggling to make ends meet are not going to be impressed in the knowledge that a few well off campers are getting help with their campsite fees?

David

mickysf replied on 03/12/2022 16:27

Posted on 03/12/2022 16:20 by DavidKlyne

I can't see how it can be justified either. Basically we all had a freeby when they previously reduced VAT. I don't suppose many of us went camping because we got a few quid back from a VAT saving which just happen to coincide with a massive demand for campsites that had probably not been seen before. I appreciate that VAT is often a tool used by Government to create demand in the economy but that should be across the economy not parts of it. Families who are struggling to make ends meet are not going to be impressed in the knowledge that a few well off campers are getting help with their campsite fees?

David

Posted on 03/12/2022 16:27

Thing is David, and I am at pains trying not to make this comment political but they (the government) will if it helps them and their cronies. They don’t always have all of us, or even the majority of us, in their interests.

GEandGJE replied on 03/12/2022 16:34

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:04 by young thomas

Is this a club site or a commercial?

if a club site then there is already a model in place to accurately calculate metering costs for the network.

if a commercial, then there is expertise here which could be tapped into to get those cost estimates along with any running costs or manpower requirements.

as it stands from your post, less than a pound a day throughout the summer should allay plenty of fears.

Posted on 03/12/2022 16:34

So a sizeable investment by the club to install metering which will reduce pitch prices by less than a pound a day. So back to the question in my OP would that be a sensible investment of the clubs money.

Takethedogalong replied on 03/12/2022 17:24

Posted on 03/12/2022 17:24

It’s possibly as good an idea as buying an area of land in Bristol, without planning permission.

Only the Club will decide🤷‍♀️

replied on 03/12/2022 17:37

Posted on 03/12/2022 16:34 by GEandGJE

So a sizeable investment by the club to install metering which will reduce pitch prices by less than a pound a day. So back to the question in my OP would that be a sensible investment of the clubs money.

Posted on 03/12/2022 17:37

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ChocolateTrees replied on 03/12/2022 17:37

Posted on 03/12/2022 16:34 by GEandGJE

So a sizeable investment by the club to install metering which will reduce pitch prices by less than a pound a day. So back to the question in my OP would that be a sensible investment of the clubs money.

Posted on 03/12/2022 17:37

Based on the £63 for 73 days? That’s not really a valid sample (of 1). My own experience, in a van for 2 over 4 nights we used about 9kWh a day in June (heating, washing up, showering, fridge). At a commercial rate of 60p per. kWh, that’s more like £5.60 a day. Thats without awning heaters (which we don’t use) or electric BBQ or slow cooking or TV. I can easily imagine a family of 4 or 5 using twice that level of consumption (double the shower’s, double the washing up, double the kettle usage). Move that to autumn or winter and you have perhaps another 1/2 again. 

The point of metering is it eliminates the guesswork for the site. 

young thomas replied on 03/12/2022 19:18

Posted on 03/12/2022 16:34 by GEandGJE

So a sizeable investment by the club to install metering which will reduce pitch prices by less than a pound a day. So back to the question in my OP would that be a sensible investment of the clubs money.

Posted on 03/12/2022 19:18

..but that's the rate at a commercial site in summer, not CAMC in the depths of winter...

we all knew (presumably you included) that usage varies wildly with season, and user..

replied on 03/12/2022 19:31

Posted on 03/12/2022 17:37 by ChocolateTrees

Based on the £63 for 73 days? That’s not really a valid sample (of 1). My own experience, in a van for 2 over 4 nights we used about 9kWh a day in June (heating, washing up, showering, fridge). At a commercial rate of 60p per. kWh, that’s more like £5.60 a day. Thats without awning heaters (which we don’t use) or electric BBQ or slow cooking or TV. I can easily imagine a family of 4 or 5 using twice that level of consumption (double the shower’s, double the washing up, double the kettle usage). Move that to autumn or winter and you have perhaps another 1/2 again. 

The point of metering is it eliminates the guesswork for the site. 

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