Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

mickysf replied on 03/12/2022 11:39

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:30 by JVB66

I think it depends on the type of meter as there are some that can be altered as to what the units price is?

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:39

Makes sense, it may then be worthwhile knowing how you are metered and how that meter calculates the cost. These different systems make it difficult if not nigh on impossible to make comparisons, let alone crystal ball gaze. 

mickysf replied on 03/12/2022 11:43

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:38 by young thomas
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Posted on 03/12/2022 11:43

What on earth has the consistency or cost of cheese got to do with it?😳 Further more I was considering the big picture, the whole of the industry, its future, not just the club.

Takethedogalong replied on 03/12/2022 11:49

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:37 by SueandKeith

We use hot water for washing up, heating the tank for half an hour or so beforehand.

We wash at the caravan in the same manner, but use the communal shower block for showering.

We use the gas hob for pans occasionally.  We don't use the oven, but cook on a tepenyaki grill every other day. I should say that in the seasonal van and in our Eriba tourer a gas bottle lasts us 2 years.

We boil a low wattage kettle for tea and coffee, using minimal amounts of water.

When we've used the Alde heating we usually left it on overnight but set at 16C. 

At the end of the season we could have been refunded the unused units.  They did warn us that the 2023 price for units would undoubtedly be more expensive.  They suggested that they would revise the number of units when we return in March to reflect any change.

K&S

 

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:49

A very interesting post thank you. Possibly reflects the usage differences in a relatively small outfit (as it’s an Eriba, I am guessing) and some of the big, power heavy outfits, with lots more gadgets inside. So7nds like you have found your bit of value for money heaven👍

JVB66 replied on 03/12/2022 11:50

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:43 by mickysf

What on earth has the consistency or cost of cheese got to do with it?😳 Further more I was considering the big picture, the whole of the industry, the future, not just the club.

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:50

It seems this clubs recruitment at EGH could be questioned when cost is a priority, looking at some of the posts that are being advertised undecided

Cornersteady replied on 03/12/2022 11:53

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:24 by JVB66

During  the school holidays then families are in the majority of site users(or well off grandparents trying or not to keep grandchildren under.control)

Out of the peak periods it is very much the older retired generation that is keeping sites going

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:53

So a lower number of lower paying campers makes more money than fuller sites at higher sometimes double prices?

I don't know the exact figures but both are needed.

replied on 03/12/2022 11:57

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:37 by SueandKeith

We use hot water for washing up, heating the tank for half an hour or so beforehand.

We wash at the caravan in the same manner, but use the communal shower block for showering.

We use the gas hob for pans occasionally.  We don't use the oven, but cook on a tepenyaki grill every other day. I should say that in the seasonal van and in our Eriba tourer a gas bottle lasts us 2 years.

We boil a low wattage kettle for tea and coffee, using minimal amounts of water.

When we've used the Alde heating we usually left it on overnight but set at 16C. 

At the end of the season we could have been refunded the unused units.  They did warn us that the 2023 price for units would undoubtedly be more expensive.  They suggested that they would revise the number of units when we return in March to reflect any change.

K&S

 

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SueandKeith replied on 03/12/2022 11:58

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:49 by Takethedogalong

A very interesting post thank you. Possibly reflects the usage differences in a relatively small outfit (as it’s an Eriba, I am guessing) and some of the big, power heavy outfits, with lots more gadgets inside. So7nds like you have found your bit of value for money heaven👍

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:58

Sorry, TDA.  The seasonal van is a Sterling Moonstone.

As an aside, we caravan with family members who take all the heavy-wattage gadgets from home.  One of them, who doesn't understand how electricity works, trips their electric every day by using kettle, hair dryer and 2kw heating simultaneously!!

 

 

JVB66 replied on 03/12/2022 12:00

Posted on 03/12/2022 11:53 by Cornersteady

So a lower number of lower paying campers makes more money than fuller sites at higher sometimes double prices?

I don't know the exact figures but both are needed.

Posted on 03/12/2022 12:00

In conversations (it pays to talk) OH and I have had with working as well as retired sites staff,and the comment by the finance director at the AGM said "dark clouds are gathering" it is it seems it is not just the UKs financial situation being talked about ? If site investment is to be maintained , short time left on numerous leases one subject and lack recruitment of coal face staff another

mickysf replied on 03/12/2022 12:04

Posted on 03/12/2022 12:00 by JVB66

In conversations (it pays to talk) OH and I have had with working as well as retired sites staff,and the comment by the finance director at the AGM said "dark clouds are gathering" it is it seems it is not just the UKs financial situation being talked about 

Posted on 03/12/2022 12:04

How many of us read this?

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/media-centre/press-releases/open-letter-to-pm/

I know it was a life time ago as far as Prime Ministers are concerned but only a blink in time to the rest of us! I wonder if that meeting ever happened, if so what were the conclusions?

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