Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

Tinwheeler replied on 29/11/2022 20:53

Posted on 29/11/2022 20:45 by

I have been told that and posted it as such but I find it difficult to believe.  It seems very difficult to get accurate information and I don't understand why.

Posted on 29/11/2022 20:53

Maybe businesses negotiate individual contracts with energy suppliers so there is no standard rate. 

replied on 29/11/2022 21:18

Posted on 29/11/2022 20:53 by Tinwheeler

Maybe businesses negotiate individual contracts with energy suppliers so there is no standard rate. 

Posted on 29/11/2022 21:18

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Tinwheeler replied on 29/11/2022 21:33

Posted on 29/11/2022 21:18 by

I can believe that for sizable business that can use their size to negotiate but small enterprises don't have that sort of clout and the sellers would not have the staff or incentive to deal with each one individually.

I wonder if CC Ltd has the expertise to get the best deals.

Posted on 29/11/2022 21:33

The info isn’t that hard to find.

https://www.businesselectricityprices.org.uk/cost-per-kwh/

 

Tinwheeler replied on 29/11/2022 22:19

Posted on 29/11/2022 22:14 by

Well done for finding that.  So all the hype of massive hikes seems rather exaggerated.

Posted on 29/11/2022 22:19

Who knows? Those prices are averages so some, of course, will be higher. Make of it what you will but I doubt it’s got any bearing on CAMC lekky prices which is the issue under discussion here.

cyberyacht replied on 30/11/2022 09:19

Posted on 30/11/2022 09:19

Corners wrote "The booking system doesn't work at all? "

That's not what I said. I said "it doesn't work properly"  There is a world of difference.

Cornersteady replied on 30/11/2022 09:54

Posted on 30/11/2022 09:19 by cyberyacht

Corners wrote "The booking system doesn't work at all? "

That's not what I said. I said "it doesn't work properly"  There is a world of difference.

Posted on 30/11/2022 09:54

I know what you said, but I'm asking you a question? Hence the question mark? Have you tried or made any bookings? Or in what way does it not work for you?

But no other replies to my post?

GEandGJE replied on 30/11/2022 10:00

Posted on 30/11/2022 10:00

All

Can we keep this on the topic of EHU metering and not another Booking System bashing or it will just get taken down and we will lose a good debate thread.

Cornersteady replied on 30/11/2022 10:44

Posted on 30/11/2022 10:00 by GEandGJE

All

Can we keep this on the topic of EHU metering and not another Booking System bashing or it will just get taken down and we will lose a good debate thread.

Posted on 30/11/2022 10:44

Yes sorry.

And I agree any references to the cost of the booking system in relation to installing meters as well.

replied on 30/11/2022 11:00

Posted on 30/11/2022 10:00 by GEandGJE

All

Can we keep this on the topic of EHU metering and not another Booking System bashing or it will just get taken down and we will lose a good debate thread.

Posted on 30/11/2022 11:00

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