Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

Cornersteady replied on 19/12/2017 20:45

Posted on 19/12/2017 20:05 by peedee

until there are such cars that can tow an average caravan (and electric MH as well) the cost cannot be justified?

I thought there were already hybrids towing caravans?

peedee

Posted on 19/12/2017 20:45

well (as I understand them) hybrids are either petrol plus plug in or petrol plus regenerative braking to charge the battery ie non plug in. In the case of plug in the range is usually limited, about 30 miles or so and under heavy acceleration or load the petrol engine will cut in. 

There may well be those hybrids that can tow if they are heavy enough ( but I haven't seen any on sites) the Outlander springs to mind but even this has a 30 mile range on electric so won't tow a long way at motorway speeds. Are there others?

Again I would say there aren't enough electric or hybrid cars towing to justify the expense of the extra installation.  When there are I'm sure sites, club or not will install them on every pitch along with EHU.

brue replied on 19/12/2017 20:52

Posted on 19/12/2017 20:05 by peedee

until there are such cars that can tow an average caravan (and electric MH as well) the cost cannot be justified?

I thought there were already hybrids towing caravans?

peedee

Posted on 19/12/2017 20:52

On previous EV discussions there are few with hybrids who tow and charge up. We're waiting for towing approval for ours as are others with a full EV. At present apart from hybrids full EVs are a second/extra car rather than a tow car. In the few months we've now owned ours we've only spotted a handful of other full EV users. So a long way to go but time for the club to develop a future policy. There is a sticky in the tow car section regarding the future of towing etc.

replied on 19/12/2017 20:52

Posted on 19/12/2017 20:52

Again I would say there aren't enough electric or hybrid cars towing to justify the expense of the extra installation. When there are I'm sure sites, club or not will install them on every pitch along with EHU.

By then I expect that everywhere will make a charge

Cornersteady replied on 19/12/2017 20:54

Posted on 19/12/2017 20:40 by Tigi

I don`t see fuel pumps on club sites, I always have to go that old fashioned fuel station where I PAY to run my own car so I certainly don`t see why I should have to pay for others convenience. 

Posted on 19/12/2017 20:54

but is it any different to 'paying' (which you're not really, the club pays)  for other's people's hair dryers, microwave ovens, heating, computers, TVs, or even (dare I say it) awning heaters? 

The pitch fee includes (16A or whatever) electricity that you (or one) pays for. What someone chooses to do with that electricity on their pitch is up to them within those limits, isn't it? 

You might object to their using their electricity to charge their car, they might object to you using 'your' electricity for charging your phone or laptop, or whatever. It's not going to cost you any more however the outfit on your left or right uses their electricity? 

 

huskydog replied on 19/12/2017 21:00

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:00

I would like to hold my hand up and apologise for using CC electric to charge the battery on my wife's mobility scooter cry

JVB66 replied on 19/12/2017 21:03

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:03

There were two Hybrids on Ferry Meadows earlier this year a Mitsubishi phev and a Volvo both towing big single axle c/vans,and when in conversation both owners? said they got just over 20miles on battery then the petrol engine cut in for about 30mile before they went back on battery,,but both were quite aware of the cost of new batteries and were not sure of the life expectancy of them with continual charging when towing,both were plugged into the c/van external socket while not being used,,they were also not  sure how much they could also use in the c/vans while charging the cars as they had never tried and as it was summer were not useing much c/van powered kit

KjellNN replied on 19/12/2017 21:08

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:08

I think EVs are a bit different if you are charging them fully off the EHU as the charging period will be lengthy and likely overnight, especially in winter, using power at times when you would not usually be using any.

Certainly different to charging a laptop or phone!

How much electricity does it take to fully charge an EV?

( it will of course vary depending on the size of the car)

Pennies, as brue said, would in my book be less than 10p, for that you might get 1kwh.

I think, to have a sensible discussion,  we need some actual figures.

Some newspaper articles I have seen are quoting £2.50-£3.50 for a full charge, depending of course on the tariff.

brue replied on 19/12/2017 21:09

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:09

I suspect those type of hybrids will cease to be of much use in the future but they were a start. Our battery capabilities are excellent due the size, the range extender ( a small petrol motor that charges the battery and tops it up whilst travelling over certain mileages etc.) Plus the regenerative braking which can extend the battery life whilst travelling. The only thing missing is a tow bar....wink

edit Kj I have put "figures" elsewhere on similar threads. Just checked with OH, a ball park figure, circa £70 for three thousand miles...pints of petrol for the range extender and electricity use at home. OH is watching a film....if I get nearer the figures I'll let you know. smile

brue replied on 19/12/2017 21:17

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:17

We also paid around £4.75 for a full fast charge (15 mins) at an ecotricity outlet at a services. We could have paid less for a slower charge our only other charge so far was free.

Apologies for the edits. Remember electricity supply tariffs vary. At home ours is around 13p per kwh, any idea what site tariffs are?

hitchglitch replied on 19/12/2017 21:27

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:27

The cost to fully charge an EV (not a hybrid) overnight on a slow charger is roughly £3-4 so not insignificant (3kW charger for 10 hours = 30 units). Of course, many people will just be topping up so it wouldn’t cost that.

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