Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

brue replied on 19/12/2017 21:29

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:29

I think that's the point Hitchglitch, it's mainly top ups, I can't think many would attempt to arrive on a pitch with a flat battery.

JVB66 replied on 19/12/2017 21:31

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:09 by brue

I suspect those type of hybrids will cease to be of much use in the future but they were a start. Our battery capabilities are excellent due the size, the range extender ( a small petrol motor that charges the battery and tops it up whilst travelling over certain mileages etc.) Plus the regenerative braking which can extend the battery life whilst travelling. The only thing missing is a tow bar....wink

edit Kj I have put "figures" elsewhere on similar threads. Just checked with OH, a ball park figure, circa £70 for three thousand miles...pints of petrol for the range extender and electricity use at home. OH is watching a film....if I get nearer the figures I'll let you know. smile

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:31

What size batt and range extender would be req for a car capable of towing a family caravan,of about 1400kg?,i would suggest the range extender being running almost continually?

hitchglitch replied on 19/12/2017 21:49

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:31 by JVB66

What size batt and range extender would be req for a car capable of towing a family caravan,of about 1400kg?,i would suggest the range extender being running almost continually?

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:49

Today yes, but electric lorries are being tested and battery powered aircraft so it is not pie in the sky (pun intended!).

KjellNN replied on 19/12/2017 21:51

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:09 by brue

I suspect those type of hybrids will cease to be of much use in the future but they were a start. Our battery capabilities are excellent due the size, the range extender ( a small petrol motor that charges the battery and tops it up whilst travelling over certain mileages etc.) Plus the regenerative braking which can extend the battery life whilst travelling. The only thing missing is a tow bar....wink

edit Kj I have put "figures" elsewhere on similar threads. Just checked with OH, a ball park figure, circa £70 for three thousand miles...pints of petrol for the range extender and electricity use at home. OH is watching a film....if I get nearer the figures I'll let you know. smile

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:51

It would be interesting to have some detail, even purely from a personal point of view as, if we live long enough, our  next small car is likely to be an EV.

We are fortunate that we have a driveway, a garage right behind it, the electricity meter and consumer unit easily accessible , so very easy for us to get one of the fast charging things installed.

Our problem at present is that we share our second car with our daughter and at her property it would be imposssible to install a fast charger, a long cable from her kitchen would be the only possibility.

Certainly, the running  costs are going to be far lower than for  a petrol or diesel  vehicle, but then the purchase price is significantly higher, even though subsidised by the taxpayer, and the cost of replacement batteries will be high.

We do know a few people who have hybrid or fully electric vehicles, and without exception they have bought them to save money, not to be "greener".

Please do not take this as applying to you, but there will no doubt be some who will "take advantage" of the  current situation on Club sites to charge EVs, and as we all know, the electricity has to be paid for somehow.  As more EVs come into use, I can see this being a problem before too long.

brue replied on 19/12/2017 22:15

Posted on 19/12/2017 22:15

Kj I suspect I have overestimated the costs but will look into it later. By the way no tax payers have subsidised our car, ours was  a pre-reg purchase. smile

Tammygirl replied on 19/12/2017 22:19

Posted on 19/12/2017 22:19

I personally would feel very guilty and uncomfortable 'charging' an EV whilst visiting a CL.

Recently we stayed on a CL during the very cold weather, rather than put the heating on 2kw we used the 1kw and gas combined option.

There are people out there that think nothing of using every piece of electrical equipment they have or the cost this brings to the CL owner, on full blown sites people justify this by saying 'I've paid enough for it I'm going to use it' with attitudes like that prices will have to rise.

Do I think EV's should charge up free of charge NO I do not. Perhaps the way the club could prevent this happening without having to install costly charging points, is to drop the bollard from 16 amps to 10 amps wink

Cornersteady replied on 19/12/2017 22:34

Posted on 19/12/2017 21:08 by KjellNN

I think EVs are a bit different if you are charging them fully off the EHU as the charging period will be lengthy and likely overnight, especially in winter, using power at times when you would not usually be using any.

Certainly different to charging a laptop or phone!

How much electricity does it take to fully charge an EV?

( it will of course vary depending on the size of the car)

Pennies, as brue said, would in my book be less than 10p, for that you might get 1kwh.

I think, to have a sensible discussion,  we need some actual figures.

Some newspaper articles I have seen are quoting £2.50-£3.50 for a full charge, depending of course on the tariff.

Posted on 19/12/2017 22:34

it doesn't matter what you use your electricity for Kj, and you or one can't really dictate what is good or bad according to your or someone else's (green) viewpoint

The club has stated it's view on allowing the charging of EV. If someone doesn't like it don't use club sites.

No one takes advantage, the club sets out it's price and you accept. It is up to the club to set it price (included in the pitch fee) and you can use as much or as little as you wish without thinking you are taking advantage. What you do with that electricity is totally up to you and not to someone's else to decide what is acceptable or not. I'm going out tomorrow night to an all you can eat banquet and everyone will eat what they want without thinking they are taking advantage. Same on a club site.

I've said it before the club is a business not an offshoot of the green party.

SteveL replied on 20/12/2017 00:21

Posted on 20/12/2017 00:21

 I have just been doing a bit of research. Using figures from the Smart brochure, it uses 13 kw per 100 km. That  is a laboratory calculated figure, so real life would be higher. So at 13p a kw hour about 2.7p a mile. As currently EV's on site will mainly be restricted to these small vehicles towed by MH's, and given say an average use of 40 miles a day. (£1.08 for recharge) I can see why the CC are not overly concerned at this time. However, as larger EV tow vehicles become realistic, surely this will have to change.

Cornersteady replied on 20/12/2017 06:26

Posted on 20/12/2017 00:21 by SteveL

 I have just been doing a bit of research. Using figures from the Smart brochure, it uses 13 kw per 100 km. That  is a laboratory calculated figure, so real life would be higher. So at 13p a kw hour about 2.7p a mile. As currently EV's on site will mainly be restricted to these small vehicles towed by MH's, and given say an average use of 40 miles a day. (£1.08 for recharge) I can see why the CC are not overly concerned at this time. However, as larger EV tow vehicles become realistic, surely this will have to change.

Posted on 20/12/2017 06:26

yes agree fully, (going back to the OP's question) only when a fully EV can tow an 'average' caravan all the way to a site on their own will the club have to think about this. I'm sure it will happen, and EV MH as well, but it's a while away yet, 5 to 10 years maybe? 

 

peedee replied on 20/12/2017 07:03

Posted on 20/12/2017 07:03

The motoring press are predicting sales of EVs to explode over the next 2/3 years driven by the governments desire to ban non electric vehicles and new models coming to the market with much longer ranges. I'd be happy to own one right now as a local run about and to tow behind my motorhome, feasibility of the latter is looking promising.

peedee

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