Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

hitchglitch replied on 20/12/2017 07:44

Posted on 20/12/2017 07:44

I know that metering etc. has been endlessly discussed previously on this forum but a simple solution is to reduce the bollard supply to 10 amps. I do wonder whether the 16 amp supply (which is almost unique to the UK) has distorted the market so that we now have electric hobs and 3 kW heating which can rarely be  used outside the UK.

It would be difficult to use excessive charging power on an EV with just a 10 amp supply and it would surely go a long way to providing a “cap” on electricity usage.

replied on 20/12/2017 08:26

Posted on 20/12/2017 08:26

I would use no less power on 10 amp than 16. Right now heating on 2kw. It would simply be a pita turning down whilst boiling the kettle etc

brue replied on 20/12/2017 08:34

Posted on 20/12/2017 07:03 by peedee

The motoring press are predicting sales of EVs to explode over the next 2/3 years driven by the governments desire to ban non electric vehicles and new models coming to the market with much longer ranges. I'd be happy to own one right now as a local run about and to tow behind my motorhome, feasibility of the latter is looking promising.

peedee

Posted on 20/12/2017 08:34

We have been very pleased with our purchase Peedee, the technology is excellent. OH was involved with the auto industry and other engineering projects most of his life and he feels the industry has finally got to grips with developments after a few false starts. Both of us feel confident with the EV, it has taken me a bit longer to adapt to the electronically led driving. I have still not discovered all the possibilities involved smile

I think the club will have plenty of time to adapt but I hope they are exploring the future with EVs as well as the present needs of site users. 

As far as CLs go I would expect site users to discuss what they are doing with the owners if they want to charge an EV.

ocsid replied on 20/12/2017 08:59

Posted on 20/12/2017 08:59

Whilst recharging cars is allowed there will for evidently a sector of the membership, remain at least a perception that things are inequitable.
In that, a facility that was provided within the site fee to power the camping requirements, is here now also being used to offset the vehicle operating cost of those with such vehicles.
Knowledge of the magnitude of the actual amount of power needed might supercharge or mitigate that perception, but it will remain in those that take that view. They will continue to see others getting something they are not benefiting from and possibly they can't afford to join in taking.
It is a situation that can be addressed by metering so nobody feels aggrieved by this, nor by those who choose to be otherwise profligate with electricity, with likely a spin-off of less wasted energy.
Or alternatively, have a vehicle parking area were at no cost to the membership a vendor of recharging points can rent to site their facilities for use by those subscribing to that product; not a world different to the club's take on Wi-Fi services.

Cornersteady replied on 20/12/2017 09:00

Posted on 20/12/2017 07:44 by hitchglitch

I know that metering etc. has been endlessly discussed previously on this forum but a simple solution is to reduce the bollard supply to 10 amps. I do wonder whether the 16 amp supply (which is almost unique to the UK) has distorted the market so that we now have electric hobs and 3 kW heating which can rarely be  used outside the UK.

It would be difficult to use excessive charging power on an EV with just a 10 amp supply and it would surely go a long way to providing a “cap” on electricity usage.

Posted on 20/12/2017 09:00

but why is a cap needed? I don't expect hotels to do that. The idea of 'modern' caravanning is to have all the comforts of home. Yes there are those who want a more 'basic' touring experience and there are sites that will give them that.

The club has to compete with other sites, if the club offers 10A and the site next door 16A who will get the booking?

Also isn't there a cap at the moment? ie 16A or about 3Kw at any one time? You have paid for that, I'm not saying have every thing on to use it to the max but have whatever you need to enjoy your holiday?

replied on 20/12/2017 09:06

Posted on 20/12/2017 08:59 by ocsid

Whilst recharging cars is allowed there will for evidently a sector of the membership, remain at least a perception that things are inequitable.
In that, a facility that was provided within the site fee to power the camping requirements, is here now also being used to offset the vehicle operating cost of those with such vehicles.
Knowledge of the magnitude of the actual amount of power needed might supercharge or mitigate that perception, but it will remain in those that take that view. They will continue to see others getting something they are not benefiting from and possibly they can't afford to join in taking.
It is a situation that can be addressed by metering so nobody feels aggrieved by this, nor by those who choose to be otherwise profligate with electricity, with likely a spin-off of less wasted energy.
Or alternatively, have a vehicle parking area were at no cost to the membership a vendor of recharging points can rent to site their facilities for use by those subscribing to that product; not a world different to the club's take on Wi-Fi services.

Posted on 20/12/2017 09:06

Presently charging EVs is a non existent problem. 100 outfits on site. One EV using 2 pounds a night is adding 2p to my pitch cost. I don't use CC sites out of frugality 

brue replied on 20/12/2017 09:25

Posted on 20/12/2017 09:25

I think if we took our EV to a site (we don't)  we would probably use less electricity than some site users. We don't carry much in the way of extra electrical equipment, so it's swings and roundabouts on the usage front.

ocsid replied on 20/12/2017 09:28

Posted on 20/12/2017 09:06 by

Presently charging EVs is a non existent problem. 100 outfits on site. One EV using 2 pounds a night is adding 2p to my pitch cost. I don't use CC sites out of frugality 

Posted on 20/12/2017 09:28

A short-term view of course?

As said IMO the perception is evidently as much an issue as the actual cost.

I personally would anticipate given the current drop in uniquely diesel and petrol powered domestic car sales things are about to change.

Then the sums both in % of EV vehicles and with the technology of the vehicles to come where their range is better catered, will not be so modest and the perception becomes more common.

replied on 20/12/2017 09:51

Posted on 20/12/2017 09:51

Depends how you define short term. I do not foresee a problem for a few years yet. Not until the first affordable tow car/motorhomes hit the market will their be a large uptake of EVs on site. A few toads will not cause a problem 

Vulcan replied on 20/12/2017 09:54

Posted on 20/12/2017 09:54

It is not the club's responsibility to supply fuel for members vehicle's, I do nor expect a filling station on a club site so why should recharging point's be provided. The decision to allow on pitch recharging was a bad move and will eventually lead to astronomical  unwarranted expense for both the club and ourselves.

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