Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

brue replied on 29/12/2017 14:53

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:53

Per head, by area, Gov stats for car ownership. Not that it's recommended reading....wink It will be interesting when alternative types of vehicle or car are listed.

 

Randomcamper replied on 29/12/2017 14:57

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:57

If you were in the market for a new tow vehilcle, would you buy a diesel right now?

We bought a new Audi two weeks ago, and you are right, we didn't choose diesel, we chose the new 1.5 Tfsi Cylinder on demand petrol engine, which virtually matches diesel economy but without the government generated stigma around diesel.

To me, EV's are still for "Early Adopters" and not practical enough for our use.

On boxing day I was looking at my brothers BMW 330 e Hybrid and it was gorgeous.....

But pure EV..??  I still think 10 years before most cars on the road are pure EV....

 

brue replied on 29/12/2017 15:13

Posted on 29/12/2017 15:13

Because this is about towing vehicles, a discussion about EVs is a bit limited until they get homologation approval. Hybrids yes, EVs (except for those which can tow and have a truly eye watering price tag) will only be seen on sites as extra cars just now. However the towing bit is being worked on so it won't be long before less expensive tow EVs are available and new discussions will start to emerge.

Tinwheeler replied on 29/12/2017 15:22

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:53 by brue

Per head, by area, Gov stats for car ownership. Not that it's recommended reading....wink It will be interesting when alternative types of vehicle or car are listed.

 

Posted on 29/12/2017 15:22

I assume that means it’s vehicle ownership by population count rather than by square mile. 

I suppose it’s no surprise to find there is a higher ratio of vehicle ownership where public transport provision is abysmal.

brue replied on 29/12/2017 15:30

Posted on 29/12/2017 15:30

By vehicle it could mean anything on the road rather than just cars and it's per head. Some areas have more cars, we have more "vehicles" that's why I joked about tractors. I'm sure you are right about transport. I don't know how much electric public transport we've got?

ocsid replied on 29/12/2017 15:39

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:41 by peedee

At the moment we are probably 10 years away from the widescale use of electric vehicles so it is barely an issue for the club, but over the next say 10 years, there will be a lot of costs to somebody......

I agree Tintent apart from the last paragraph which I quote above. Think it will be much shorter than 10 years. In the caravanning world Hybrids will drive the change and quite quickly. If you were in the market for a new tow vehilcle, would you buy a diesel right now?

peedee

Posted on 29/12/2017 15:39

I agree that the bulk of the change will come quicker than 10 years for new vehicles, in that the government together with the media have, whether intended or not, put the frighteners on buying IC powered vehicles.

There is a sense "you will be punished" which is a great shame as there are roles for a mix of technologies, some being far better suited just for their target task.

That will have a mix of two effects, owners hanging in with the old vehicle, so everyone not benefitting from better cleaner IC, or buying into these early attempts at hybrid and full electric drive. With the latter, the purchases will become rapidly obsolete as that technology needs to and most definitely will, improve rapidly. Not exactly helping the environment overall with a lot of short-term viability vehicles being churned out during the early move into the new way.

The club has to and no doubt must be already considering the impact as a new infrastructure will be needed and soon. Site development typically has been on a leisurely timescale, the speed of this new role of having to fuel members vehicles could well catch the club and others out.

Cornersteady replied on 29/12/2017 15:50

Posted on 29/12/2017 11:38 by brue

Good idea Corners, there will be some considering changing their vehicles next year and information on this thread will disappear.

When EVs receive approval for towing (I think there is only one at present?) there will be further interest. For now, this mainly affects hybrid users.  Second car charging might also need consideration and of course CL owners should be consulted.

Many thanks Rowena for clarifying things again!

 

Posted on 29/12/2017 15:50

thanks

Cornersteady replied on 29/12/2017 16:05

Posted on 29/12/2017 13:53 by KjellNN

Rowena.......

While charging an EV will undoubtedly limit what else you can be running at the same time, I would expect that most owners would opt to charge overnight when their power consumption would otherwise be very low.

So they will not be using electricity for the EV INSTEAD  of for something else, but AS WELL AS for normal caravanning activities.  This is bound to lead to increased electricity consumption on Club sites.

The additional cost may be small at present, but will increase as more people buy EVs.  How is this additional  cost  to be met?

My concern would be that pitch fees will just be increased to cover this, which of course would not be fair to those who do not use an EV.

Does the Club have a plan in mind?

Posted on 29/12/2017 16:05

you really have got something against charging EVs.

There is no AS WELL AS. What does it matter what ,I you, or anyone uses their electricity on. It is included in the price.

You seem to say in your other posts and this one, that people will take advantage, that somehow even if you can have 16 A or over 3Kw at any one time you should really only use half that or two thirds, any extra over that and you are taking advantage Nonsense in my view. The clubs sets out it's price and one accepts it. The club takes the risk that it has it's sums right and makes a profit. There is no additional cost to be met, it's included in your pitch fee. The 'plan' is already there, it is quite simple you have up to 3Kw to use, use it how you will.

They have set a limit on my usage and I personally will use to that limit to enjoy my time away. If at any time I need the full amount then I will take it, if at other times I don't then that is fine too. Staying at a club site is not a boot camp to be endured and be frugal anymore than staying at a hotel. I have stayed at all inclusive hotels and just recently had an all your could eat meal, in either case I used what I needed to enjoy my time, no more no less. I certainly didn't think oh that's more than my 'fair share' because there isn't a fair share just what the 'terms and conditions' are.

You don't mind (I assume) if I have an extra heater on in the awning all night to keep warm and I don't care hat you use in your outfit. If I want to charge my EV I will, I'll have to cut down on something else but that's my choice

replied on 29/12/2017 16:20

Posted on 29/12/2017 16:20

Cornersteady, 

Are you saying that if the Club decide in a few years to increase the  pitch fee by, say £5 per night, to pay for the increased use of electricity by a minority ( mainly through EV charging) then you are entirely happy to do so?

 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 29/12/2017 16:27

Posted on 29/12/2017 16:20 by

Cornersteady, 

Are you saying that if the Club decide in a few years to increase the  pitch fee by, say £5 per night, to pay for the increased use of electricity by a minority ( mainly through EV charging) then you are entirely happy to do so?

 

Posted on 29/12/2017 16:27

G7, I’ve just read MrC’s post & can confirm He didn’t say what you are asking. I’m surprised you need to ask if you’ve read it🤔

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