Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

EmilysDad replied on 29/12/2017 13:46

Posted on 29/12/2017 11:19 by huskydog

what does the dealership get out of giving you something for nothing??

Posted on 29/12/2017 13:46

The free charging is s free as Merc's free tea/coffee & Wi-Fi  .... they charge you else where for it 😉

KjellNN replied on 29/12/2017 13:53

Posted on 29/12/2017 10:19 by RowenaBCAMC

Hi everyone,

For clarity, and as per a previous discussion on this subject, the sites operations team at the Club have advised that the Club do allow site users to connect out from their caravan, as many do for their awnings and connect/charge their car, however, this will reduce the available ampage required for other usage within their outfit, which is their choice. If it becomes an issue and they exceed the 16 amp supply this will trip out the bollard, therefore, the Site Staff would then suggest, if this does happen to ask them to reduce their appliances plugged in.

I appreciate the feedback we have received on this discussion and have forwarded this conversation to the sites operations team for their consideration with regards to some of the comments and suggestions such as having designated car charging points on Club Sites. There may be a delay in reply as many people off over the Christmas period. 

A polite request to keep the conversation on track and friendly please. Many thanks. 

Posted on 29/12/2017 13:53

Rowena.......

While charging an EV will undoubtedly limit what else you can be running at the same time, I would expect that most owners would opt to charge overnight when their power consumption would otherwise be very low.

So they will not be using electricity for the EV INSTEAD  of for something else, but AS WELL AS for normal caravanning activities.  This is bound to lead to increased electricity consumption on Club sites.

The additional cost may be small at present, but will increase as more people buy EVs.  How is this additional  cost  to be met?

My concern would be that pitch fees will just be increased to cover this, which of course would not be fair to those who do not use an EV.

Does the Club have a plan in mind?

Randomcamper replied on 29/12/2017 14:23

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:23

Many years ago......when I worked for the local electricity board, I was involved in designing the low voltage cable network for housing estates.

Each house has a 60A or 80Amp main fuse.

But every house on the estate cannot draw 60 or 80 amps at the same time, the installed infrastructure would in no way be capable of supplying that much. In fact we worked on a "Diversity Factor" assuming an average draw of 1kw per house ( thats about 4 amps) in non electric heating areas (the majority). If electric storage heating was going to be installed then we had to radically alter standard designs......

The Clubs low voltage supply network around its sites will, I am guessing, have been designed in a similar way. I very much doubt that the club anticipated that every, or even many, units would be drawing the 16A capacity of the EHU bollard.

Therefore as EV vehicles get more common I expect that the club will have to both increase the capacity of it's own LV cable network around each site and quite possibly pay for an upgrade to the incoming electricity board (the old name for power companies) supply.

These costs can only be either borne by charging EV users in some way ( dedicated charging points for a fee or metered supplies at the bollard)  or by increasing everyones pitch fee.

At the moment we are probably 10 years away from the widescale use of electric vehicles so it is barely an issue for the club, but over the next say 10 years, there will be a lot of costs to somebody......

SteveL replied on 29/12/2017 14:28

Posted on 29/12/2017 10:55 by

My existing Smart is costing £191.71 per month on the finance agreement 48 months of which 12 months are completed. Plus £20 per month for the service plan.

As I will get the new Smart Electric delivery from the factory within 6 months, I no longer need the service plan on the existing Smart because the next service is not due for another 12 months by which time the ownership of this car will have passed on to someone else. So the cancellation of the service plan is already saving me £20 per month.

If I had chosen to keep the existing car, I would have to continue paying £191.71 plus £20 service plan, plus £225 per month for unleaded petrol. So total monthly cost of £436.71.

The new Smart Electric will cost £289 per month on the new finance agreement, with no cost of unleaded petrol, thereby an overall saving of £147.71 per month which makes good financial sense to me. Furthermore, I get the benefit of a brand new car with more up to date technology and therefore better fit for purpose than my existing one. It's a win win all round!

After 48 months and completion of the £5000 balloon payment at the end of the finance agreement, I will then be better off by another £289 per month making a brighter future for me all round!

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:28

Malcolm, I thought Smart cars had a decent mpg. If it is 50 mpg £225 works out at 24,000 miles a year. Do you really do that sort of mileage, or is the Smart not as economical as I thought?

Takethedogalong replied on 29/12/2017 14:34

Posted on 28/12/2017 13:34 by avondriver

It is possible that we are facing a disruptive change in the transport market. Put together electric cars, driverless cars and a successor to the Uber technology alongside the increase in leasing rather than owning cars and you have an interesting future (albeit maybe a distant one).

Why would anyone want to own a car when parking on modern estates is impossible and the majority of cars are only used a tiny percentage of the day? Just call a car to pick you up and take you where you want to go. If that happens to be beyond the range of a single charge the system can arrange for another car to meet and take you on the next leg - no waiting for recharging. 

Peek times such as rush hour could be an issue BUT the system could allow for car share with optimum routing.

Interesting times ahead.

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:34

Erm......you mean like buses? Electric of course. 

I have no real issues with progress towards electric cars, so long as the electric to make them and power them comes from renewable sources.

But I bet I can guess which section of the population is going to be the last to benefit, exactly the same section that doesn't live in London or other major conurbations, where a regular bus service is a thing of the past, where any kind of infrastructure investment relies upon someone making a vast profit (broadband anyone?) before it is put into place, where a taxi costs an arm or a leg, and where  a 4x4 is used properly to get around in snow, and up and down steep inclines, all day, every day.

However, on the plus side, at least some of us have room to park a car, or two, or three, or even four! Living cheek by jowl on a brand new estate, in thrall to restrictions based on what can or cannot be parked outside, waiting for dodgy taxi drivers to pick me up is a hell I will postpone for as long as I can!

peedee replied on 29/12/2017 14:41

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:41

At the moment we are probably 10 years away from the widescale use of electric vehicles so it is barely an issue for the club, but over the next say 10 years, there will be a lot of costs to somebody......

I agree Tintent apart from the last paragraph which I quote above. Think it will be much shorter than 10 years. In the caravanning world Hybrids will drive the change and quite quickly. If you were in the market for a new tow vehilcle, would you buy a diesel right now?

peedee

Takethedogalong replied on 29/12/2017 14:42

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:42

I bet someone's new car will go "wum, wum" rather than "brum, brum"!

winklaughing

brue replied on 29/12/2017 14:42

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:42

I think the southwest has the highest vehicle ownership and the south east the highest car ownership (presumably in the SW we're all driving tractors....wink) But central Londoners own less cars and rely on public transport.

Tinwheeler replied on 29/12/2017 14:48

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:42 by brue

I think the southwest has the highest vehicle ownership and the south east the highest car ownership (presumably in the SW we're all driving tractors....wink) But central Londoners own less cars and rely on public transport.

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:48

Is that per head of population or by area, Brue?

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