Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

Cornersteady replied on 29/12/2017 17:29

Posted on 29/12/2017 16:57 by moulesy

Just out of interest, does anyone know if C&CC or commercial chain sites have a different policy from the club's towards charging EVs?

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:29

would it matter? any excuse to bash the clubwink

Oneputt replied on 29/12/2017 17:31

Posted on 29/12/2017 16:46 by JVB66

We are going to Norfolk tomorrow so i have put our c/van out of storage on to a pitch for one night (oops sorry, not, if no w/end now available) back on subject met another member (in storage) who i have known for some years,and we got talking about EVs on sites,He works for one of our local MPs and can tell you some of what is in mind,and it will be Way into the future that full EV infrastructure is available,to enable what the "Headline Announcement" was stating, but Hybrids are accepted as the vehicles for the forseable future,all types,with batteries for urban areas,and they are not expecting charging to be free for the end users of either type away from their home addresssurprised

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:31

Off topic, where you staying JVB

Randomcamper replied on 29/12/2017 17:34

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:34

Lifted from an article on Out & About Live from March this year....

 

"The range issue will change over the next three years, with next-generation electric vehicles comfortably able to cover 250+ miles when they hit the market from 2018 onwards. But until then, for domestic touring, a plug-in hybrid is the most practical form of electric vehicle.

But with ready-made charging infrastructures – often in rural areas where it is otherwise hard to find a charging point – both the Caravan Club and the Camping & Caravanning Club are actively exploring the implications and opportunities of a gradual switch to electric power.

Except during peak periods, most campsites have adequate excess charging capacity – although some operators are already pointing out that they may need to start charging extra for electric caravanners to charge their car as well as their ‘van!

Technical manager at the Caravan & Motorhome Club Martin Spencer said: "For electric towcars, the Club's existing mains electrical hook-up infrastructure has the potential to be adapted to provide off-peak (overnight, much of the daytime) vehicle charging.

"It's likely that as electric vehicles become more common, onsite charging would become a paid option with site fees. While the industry needs to address such practical issues, the potential for vehicle charging on Club sites is clear – with more than 25,000 hook-up points, largely in rural areas, the Club is ideally positioned to complement private and public charging points in the future."

And it turns out that when it comes to the engine technology, Martin's also a bit of a fan of electric cars: "Hybrid vehicles are already with us in significant numbers and are likely to be around for a while as a means of achieving improved fuel efficiency and emissions.

"In principle, the performance characteristics of electric vehicles are ideally suited to towing. Electric motors produce their highest torque output from a standstill, making them excellent at getting a heavy towed load moving".

 

So the Club is (rightly...wink) set to charge users of EV's after all....

replied on 29/12/2017 17:35

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:28 by Cornersteady

You see I don't think anyone (or mostly anyone) buys an EV or Hybrid to save the planet, more like saving the wallet. That's certainly why I'm thinking of getting a hybrid.

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:35

Can't see it saving me much as a tow vehicle though?

Cornersteady replied on 29/12/2017 17:36

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:35 by

Can't see it saving me much as a tow vehicle though?

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:36

no and not for a while maybe. But I was just talking about buying an EV/hybrid as (in my case) the runaround

Cornersteady replied on 29/12/2017 17:42

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:34 by Randomcamper

Lifted from an article on Out & About Live from March this year....

 

"The range issue will change over the next three years, with next-generation electric vehicles comfortably able to cover 250+ miles when they hit the market from 2018 onwards. But until then, for domestic touring, a plug-in hybrid is the most practical form of electric vehicle.

But with ready-made charging infrastructures – often in rural areas where it is otherwise hard to find a charging point – both the Caravan Club and the Camping & Caravanning Club are actively exploring the implications and opportunities of a gradual switch to electric power.

Except during peak periods, most campsites have adequate excess charging capacity – although some operators are already pointing out that they may need to start charging extra for electric caravanners to charge their car as well as their ‘van!

Technical manager at the Caravan & Motorhome Club Martin Spencer said: "For electric towcars, the Club's existing mains electrical hook-up infrastructure has the potential to be adapted to provide off-peak (overnight, much of the daytime) vehicle charging.

"It's likely that as electric vehicles become more common, onsite charging would become a paid option with site fees. While the industry needs to address such practical issues, the potential for vehicle charging on Club sites is clear – with more than 25,000 hook-up points, largely in rural areas, the Club is ideally positioned to complement private and public charging points in the future."

And it turns out that when it comes to the engine technology, Martin's also a bit of a fan of electric cars: "Hybrid vehicles are already with us in significant numbers and are likely to be around for a while as a means of achieving improved fuel efficiency and emissions.

"In principle, the performance characteristics of electric vehicles are ideally suited to towing. Electric motors produce their highest torque output from a standstill, making them excellent at getting a heavy towed load moving".

 

So the Club is (rightly...wink) set to charge users of EV's after all....

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:42

good post thanks. I don't mind either way and if the club decides to do that I'll support that as well but at present you can charge your car within your pitch fee. 

Wonder what the club will do that? I suspect when currant or indeed  current, usage affect profits?

replied on 30/12/2017 00:48

Posted on 29/12/2017 14:28 by SteveL

Malcolm, I thought Smart cars had a decent mpg. If it is 50 mpg £225 works out at 24,000 miles a year. Do you really do that sort of mileage, or is the Smart not as economical as I thought?

Posted on 30/12/2017 00:48

I've had the existing Smart for a year and I've done 12,000 miles. Most of the driving I do is urban driving so the mileage per gallon is a lot less than 50.

replied on 30/12/2017 01:05

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:28 by Cornersteady

You see I don't think anyone (or mostly anyone) buys an EV or Hybrid to save the planet, more like saving the wallet. That's certainly why I'm thinking of getting a hybrid.

Posted on 30/12/2017 01:05

The incentive to switch to EV is the cost saving but as a consequence of this, it also saves the planet.

replied on 30/12/2017 01:11

Posted on 29/12/2017 17:34 by Randomcamper

Lifted from an article on Out & About Live from March this year....

 

"The range issue will change over the next three years, with next-generation electric vehicles comfortably able to cover 250+ miles when they hit the market from 2018 onwards. But until then, for domestic touring, a plug-in hybrid is the most practical form of electric vehicle.

But with ready-made charging infrastructures – often in rural areas where it is otherwise hard to find a charging point – both the Caravan Club and the Camping & Caravanning Club are actively exploring the implications and opportunities of a gradual switch to electric power.

Except during peak periods, most campsites have adequate excess charging capacity – although some operators are already pointing out that they may need to start charging extra for electric caravanners to charge their car as well as their ‘van!

Technical manager at the Caravan & Motorhome Club Martin Spencer said: "For electric towcars, the Club's existing mains electrical hook-up infrastructure has the potential to be adapted to provide off-peak (overnight, much of the daytime) vehicle charging.

"It's likely that as electric vehicles become more common, onsite charging would become a paid option with site fees. While the industry needs to address such practical issues, the potential for vehicle charging on Club sites is clear – with more than 25,000 hook-up points, largely in rural areas, the Club is ideally positioned to complement private and public charging points in the future."

And it turns out that when it comes to the engine technology, Martin's also a bit of a fan of electric cars: "Hybrid vehicles are already with us in significant numbers and are likely to be around for a while as a means of achieving improved fuel efficiency and emissions.

"In principle, the performance characteristics of electric vehicles are ideally suited to towing. Electric motors produce their highest torque output from a standstill, making them excellent at getting a heavy towed load moving".

 

So the Club is (rightly...wink) set to charge users of EV's after all....

Posted on 30/12/2017 01:11

Not yet!

SteveL replied on 30/12/2017 10:07

Posted on 30/12/2017 00:48 by

I've had the existing Smart for a year and I've done 12,000 miles. Most of the driving I do is urban driving so the mileage per gallon is a lot less than 50.

Posted on 30/12/2017 10:07

If you are spending £225 on petrol for the Smart that only works out at about 25 miles to the gallon. I think I would get that from my XTrail.🤔

Thinking about the EV does the regenerative braking produce as much as it uses accelerating? If not, I would assume a lot of stop start driving would deplete the battery faster than a long run. Do they produce urban, combined and long run figures, for EV's?

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