So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

cyberyacht replied on 15/03/2019 07:30

Posted on 15/03/2019 07:30

At the risk of further perpetuating the, sometimes acrimonious, debate I would proffer the following illustration.

A yacht club provides pontoon berths for its membership. However, the depth of water where this is to be provided is comparatively shallow and is not readily accessible to those who have yachts that have a deeper draft. Should the club dredge the area to provide access to all or take the view that they will just have to muddle through and put up with their yacht settling at an angle as the tide falls?

This is, I suggest, a similar proposition that is being debated here.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 15/03/2019 07:49

Posted on 14/03/2019 22:16 by Pliers

Maybe  stop taking the bait and just ignore him.......🤔

Posted on 15/03/2019 07:49

+1, Don’t feed the trolls👍🏻

Cornersteady replied on 15/03/2019 07:55

Posted on 15/03/2019 07:30 by cyberyacht

At the risk of further perpetuating the, sometimes acrimonious, debate I would proffer the following illustration.

A yacht club provides pontoon berths for its membership. However, the depth of water where this is to be provided is comparatively shallow and is not readily accessible to those who have yachts that have a deeper draft. Should the club dredge the area to provide access to all or take the view that they will just have to muddle through and put up with their yacht settling at an angle as the tide falls?

This is, I suggest, a similar proposition that is being debated here.

Posted on 15/03/2019 07:55

no, as here all already have access to a pitch, big or small. Who cannot stay at a club site? 

Actually what some want is to make the pitches or berths smaller to only take one kind of yacht. They wish to reduce access. 

replied on 15/03/2019 08:34

Posted on 14/03/2019 10:48 by young thomas

M, you're looking at the issue from the wrong end of the telescopeundecided

how do you think some of the larger continental sites manage it..?

looks like we're back to the constraints of the 'club staffing model'.

until this is looked at in combination with any future changes, the 'full sequential timetable' that the wardens work to limits pretty much anything else inserted into the day....

couple that with the rigid arrival times and you have a system that is anything but flexible, with no allowance for ongoing process change...

the sites we've used this spring have all managed to get us checked in and hooked up (or unhooked) or meter read at start (or end) of stay with out any fuss...

none of this or the scores (hundreds in the case of La Manga) impacts on the running of the site or the service offered....they are just geared up differently and take this sort of thing in their stride...

Posted on 15/03/2019 08:34

how do you think some of the larger continental sites manage it..? looks like we're back to the constraints of the 'club staffing model'.

Comparing apples and pears again I see when you refer to La Manga? How many pitches does it have compared to the typical club site, not to mention other rental options?

As far as flexibility goes there does seem to be limitations on booking period choices on that site. Online booking indicates you can book 4 days in the week or 2 or 3 days at weekend or a full week. 

 

young thomas replied on 15/03/2019 08:47

Posted on 15/03/2019 08:34 by

how do you think some of the larger continental sites manage it..? looks like we're back to the constraints of the 'club staffing model'.

Comparing apples and pears again I see when you refer to La Manga? How many pitches does it have compared to the typical club site, not to mention other rental options?

As far as flexibility goes there does seem to be limitations on booking period choices on that site. Online booking indicates you can book 4 days in the week or 2 or 3 days at weekend or a full week. 

 

Posted on 15/03/2019 08:47

if you just stop for a moment to try and understand the reply, you'll see I was referring to tha ANPR system at La Manga.

ive also mentioned other places where they have this and have processes for reading meters and hooking up/unhooking arrivals.

if attempting to explain how sites (wherever) go about the daily processes associated with implementing the OP's suggestion is trolling then guilty as charged...

but so are those relentless naysayers who spend time posting how it can't possibly be done...undecided.

 

Rufs replied on 15/03/2019 08:51

Posted on 15/03/2019 08:51

oh! gawd this still rages on, and not a beep from the club, I wonder why, some folks must be seriously bored whether "over there" or "over here" to spend so much time on this forum  undecided

replied on 15/03/2019 08:55

Posted on 15/03/2019 08:47 by young thomas

if you just stop for a moment to try and understand the reply, you'll see I was referring to tha ANPR system at La Manga.

ive also mentioned other places where they have this and have processes for reading meters and hooking up/unhooking arrivals.

if attempting to explain how sites (wherever) go about the daily processes associated with implementing the OP's suggestion is trolling then guilty as charged...

but so are those relentless naysayers who spend time posting how it can't possibly be done...undecided.

 

Posted on 15/03/2019 08:55

Those Naysayers possibly do not wish to have unvetted arrivals at all hours nor have a desire for below standard safety separation which means developing pitches no smaller than at present. This talk of minimum time on pitches - well you can use a pitch for a night only now.

I see no benefit to the majority of the membership for having pitches provided which do not meet the requirements of all. Arrivals to site are vetted at present and long may that continue.

By all means have a wish list but most of the membership is careful for what it wishes for. 

if you just stop for a moment to try and understand the reply, you'll see I was referring to tha ANPR system at La Manga.

I was well aware of that but I was simply pointing out that there are constraints on many sites and on some occasions more so than CC sites .... but different

Cornersteady replied on 15/03/2019 10:24

Posted on 15/03/2019 08:47 by young thomas

if you just stop for a moment to try and understand the reply, you'll see I was referring to tha ANPR system at La Manga.

ive also mentioned other places where they have this and have processes for reading meters and hooking up/unhooking arrivals.

if attempting to explain how sites (wherever) go about the daily processes associated with implementing the OP's suggestion is trolling then guilty as charged...

but so are those relentless naysayers who spend time posting how it can't possibly be done...undecided.

 

Posted on 15/03/2019 10:24

Everybody will have differing views on this. But what is very apparent in your posts BB is that anyone who has a different view to yours is talked about in a negative and derogatory manner.

You have posted about those who I suppose dare to offer a different viewpoint to yours as squealing, harping on... now you talk about those who do not agree with you as relentless naysayers.

Is it possible to write a post that opposes your viewpoint without such constant negative references? 

maybe Pliers is correct you are just baiting people?undecided

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