So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

Cornersteady replied on 14/03/2019 11:03

Posted on 14/03/2019 10:48 by young thomas

M, you're looking at the issue from the wrong end of the telescopeundecided

how do you think some of the larger continental sites manage it..?

looks like we're back to the constraints of the 'club staffing model'.

until this is looked at in combination with any future changes, the 'full sequential timetable' that the wardens work to limits pretty much anything else inserted into the day....

couple that with the rigid arrival times and you have a system that is anything but flexible, with no allowance for ongoing process change...

the sites we've used this spring have all managed to get us checked in and hooked up (or unhooked) or meter read at start (or end) of stay with out any fuss...

none of this or the scores (hundreds in the case of La Manga) impacts on the running of the site or the service offered....they are just geared up differently and take this sort of thing in their stride...

Posted on 14/03/2019 11:03

and you are still 'harping on' and 'squealing' (your own words remember directed at M and caravaners so I'm sure you won't mind them being directed at you) about how the model and practices over there are better than over here and should be adopted. 

It is different not better.

Cornersteady replied on 14/03/2019 11:04

Posted on 14/03/2019 11:00 by moulesy

BB - you know full well that I agree with you about arrival/departure arrangements. But we are where we are and as you yourself pointed out on another thread "you're guaranteed a queue if you arrive at 12 at Broadway".

This constant comparison with sites (which happen to be "elsewhere") is wearing very thin.

It seems that nothing less than a wholesale transformation of club sites and rules to match what you've experienced "elsewhere" will satisfy you. But there are hundreds of thousands of units happily using club sites under the current arrangements.

Now, instead of constantly "harping on" ( wink) about the same things over and over again, why not accept a compromise arrangement - decline EHU if that suits. Easy to implement and surely a large part of what you're arguing for?

Posted on 14/03/2019 11:04

+1 very very thinundecided

PS snap

Takethedogalong replied on 14/03/2019 11:06

Posted on 14/03/2019 10:54 by Cornersteady

I'm not sure, I still like to have hot water, microwave, electric kettle and the female camp followers like their hair dryers.  

Posted on 14/03/2019 11:06

My long golden locks are no more!😲 I now have a small hairdryer if we are on EHU. But I have some natty gas canister hot brush/tongs for when we are not!😁 

Tinwheeler replied on 14/03/2019 11:17

Posted on 14/03/2019 11:17

I do wonder what you hope to gain, BB, with you constant running down of club sites and promoting the ‘over there’ ways of doing things - other than to wind everyone up. We all know the cultures are different and what you want is unlikely to happen here  

DSB has made some very sensible points yet still you push for things to be done your way. How about a bit of give as well as take?

replied on 14/03/2019 12:33

Posted on 14/03/2019 12:33

Regarding the ability to book a hardstanding I am in two minds about this. Yes it would suit me nicely. However it would mean that anybody making last minute bookings are likely to find all hard standings taken. Given the fact in the last 15 years I have not been compelled to take a grass pitch other than on all (or nearly all) grass sites it does not make any real difference to me. 

If I was looking to make a booking on a site where the majority of pitches were hard standing but these were all booked up I would look elsewhere. 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 14/03/2019 13:50

Posted on 14/03/2019 11:17 by Tinwheeler

I do wonder what you hope to gain, BB, with you constant running down of club sites and promoting the ‘over there’ ways of doing things - other than to wind everyone up. We all know the cultures are different and what you want is unlikely to happen here  

DSB has made some very sensible points yet still you push for things to be done your way. How about a bit of give as well as take?

Posted on 14/03/2019 13:50

The ones that say the most are usually the ones that mean the least(amobuts)wink

Oneputt replied on 14/03/2019 14:24

Posted on 14/03/2019 14:24

So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

 

Exactly the same as they do for caravaners

young thomas replied on 14/03/2019 17:08

Posted on 14/03/2019 11:00 by moulesy

BB - you know full well that I agree with you about arrival/departure arrangements. But we are where we are and as you yourself pointed out on another thread "you're guaranteed a queue if you arrive at 12 at Broadway".

This constant comparison with sites (which happen to be "elsewhere") is wearing very thin.

It seems that nothing less than a wholesale transformation of club sites and rules to match what you've experienced "elsewhere" will satisfy you. But there are hundreds of thousands of units happily using club sites under the current arrangements.

Now, instead of constantly "harping on" ( wink) about the same things over and over again, why not accept a compromise arrangement - decline EHU if that suits. Easy to implement and surely a large part of what you're arguing for?

Posted on 14/03/2019 17:08

i actually do agree with you that the EHU/not should be easy to implement....on any pitch...

the point is that a number of other suggestions have been made which extend into different pitch provision (the whole crux of Stuart's OP) which, while pretty straight forward in principle, is made harder to implement due to the current proccess being unable to deal with 'late arrivals' onto their booked pitch rather than the LNA....resolved with an ANPR system....thus freeing up the LNA area for the type of pitch being discussed.

we then get the 'question' raised about honesty/metering etc, my point was just saying that administrative process such as meter reading and hooking up is not the issue some will suggest it is...its just part of the everyday site processes, like rubbish collections,toilet cleaning or manning reception.

it matters not whether my 'example' was from here, there or Outer Space, merely that, with the right mindset, it isn't an issue at all.

Cornersteady replied on 14/03/2019 17:40

Posted on 14/03/2019 17:08 by young thomas

i actually do agree with you that the EHU/not should be easy to implement....on any pitch...

the point is that a number of other suggestions have been made which extend into different pitch provision (the whole crux of Stuart's OP) which, while pretty straight forward in principle, is made harder to implement due to the current proccess being unable to deal with 'late arrivals' onto their booked pitch rather than the LNA....resolved with an ANPR system....thus freeing up the LNA area for the type of pitch being discussed.

we then get the 'question' raised about honesty/metering etc, my point was just saying that administrative process such as meter reading and hooking up is not the issue some will suggest it is...its just part of the everyday site processes, like rubbish collections,toilet cleaning or manning reception.

it matters not whether my 'example' was from here, there or Outer Space, merely that, with the right mindset, it isn't an issue at all.

Posted on 14/03/2019 17:40

you mean with the 'right' over there mindsetundecided

 you're looking at the issue from the wrong end of the telescope

how do you think some of the larger continental sites manage it..?

looks like we're back to the constraints of the 'club staffing model'.

couple that with the rigid arrival times and you have a system that is anything but flexible, with no allowance for ongoing process change...

the sites we've used this spring have all managed to get us checked in and hooked up (or unhooked) or meter read at start (or end) of stay with out any fuss...

none of this or the scores (hundreds in the case of La Manga) impacts on the running of the site or the service offered....they are just geared up differently and take this sort of thing in their stride..

As TW said, every line is a criticism of the club and how 'over there' does it so much betterundecided

It is a constant theme you keep coming back to.

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