So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

cyberyacht replied on 14/03/2019 08:42

Posted on 14/03/2019 08:42

On the subject of metering and paying for usage, this could be facilitated by the Club holding a member's credit card details on file and cost passed on with minimal additional workload for wardens. It would also enable late cancellation penalties being imposed as i have suggested in the past. ANPR could then also automate booked arrivals with appropriate fees being levied. Just think how much more time would be available for grass cutting and toilet cleaning. wink

Cornersteady replied on 14/03/2019 08:47

Posted on 14/03/2019 08:47

didn't PD state that the cost of changing to a metered bollard would cost £125+ per pitch? And how often are bollards replaced? Also at present one bollard sometimes covers three pitches, so it is no just a case of replacing one unless a number of meters could be installed in one bollard?

I still think the club is making profit on EHU, we don't know what the electricity cost is in the all inclusive price, but maybe it is set above the average? 

moulesy replied on 14/03/2019 08:48

Posted on 14/03/2019 08:42 by cyberyacht

On the subject of metering and paying for usage, this could be facilitated by the Club holding a member's credit card details on file and cost passed on with minimal additional workload for wardens. It would also enable late cancellation penalties being imposed as i have suggested in the past. ANPR could then also automate booked arrivals with appropriate fees being levied. Just think how much more time would be available for grass cutting and toilet cleaning. wink

Posted on 14/03/2019 08:48

Yes, and although I can see the merit in what you're suggesting,  the pros and cons of the club holding credit card details have been rehearsed many times and I think the concensus of opinion was against. frown

JayOutdoors replied on 14/03/2019 09:08

Posted on 14/03/2019 09:08

I fully agree with DSB’s comment

“My first observation is that, judging by the number of motorhomers I see on Club sites, many seem to be happy using the facilities that are already available, otherwise they wouldn't use the network.  However we should always strive to improve things motorhomers and caravanners.”

Therefore I personally would prefer the club’s money be put into acquiring more sites and/or upgrading facilities for use by all on current sites. 

IMHO developing LNA’s into ‘Nightstops’ would not be a cost-effective use of the club’s money.

With regards to metering and the possibility in the future of replacing old bollards perhaps they could be linked directly to the club’s bank and work like electric charging bollards or pay at the pump type at garages. Just a thought.

replied on 14/03/2019 09:09

Posted on 14/03/2019 09:09

We don't know but I presume that the charge for the pitch includes a pro rata charge for the annual cost per pitch night based on the previous years usage and current price per KW hour. If so then this would mean a loss in winter on that element and a gain in summer

replied on 14/03/2019 09:12

Posted on 14/03/2019 08:48 by moulesy

Yes, and although I can see the merit in what you're suggesting,  the pros and cons of the club holding credit card details have been rehearsed many times and I think the concensus of opinion was against. frown

Posted on 14/03/2019 09:12

No merit in NPR for arrivals though. It is part of the wardens remit to vet the arrivals for suitability of their RV. 

Tinwheeler replied on 14/03/2019 09:23

Posted on 14/03/2019 09:23

“With regards to metering and the possibility in the future of replacing old bollards perhaps they could be linked directly to the club’s bank and work like electric charging bollards or pay at the pump type at garages. Just a thought.”

At check in we could purchase pre-paid lekky cards from the warden. These would be inserted in the meter to work and prevent fraudulent use of the hook up. No refund of any unused balance would mean no need to calculate any bills on check out and no queues forming. Perhaps the cards could eventually work across the whole network so nothing need be wasted.

Cornersteady replied on 14/03/2019 09:50

Posted on 14/03/2019 09:23 by Tinwheeler

“With regards to metering and the possibility in the future of replacing old bollards perhaps they could be linked directly to the club’s bank and work like electric charging bollards or pay at the pump type at garages. Just a thought.”

At check in we could purchase pre-paid lekky cards from the warden. These would be inserted in the meter to work and prevent fraudulent use of the hook up. No refund of any unused balance would mean no need to calculate any bills on check out and no queues forming. Perhaps the cards could eventually work across the whole network so nothing need be wasted.

Posted on 14/03/2019 09:50

I would like some way to top them up somehow, perhaps on line. During the day you could go to the office and buy another but I can just see the pre-paid money running out at say 10pm?

DSB replied on 14/03/2019 10:04

Posted on 14/03/2019 10:04

Peedee said: 

Two other points worth making which would in my view go a long way to making the Club more motorhome friendly would be the introduction of:.

1. The ability to book hard standings

2. Allow members to call in a site for a fee to use the MSVPs.

I think most of the members on CT who have been here for sometime will know my view on the ability to book hardstandings for everyone - bring it on!!  laughinglaughing

I can see the attraction of 2, and may well be worth following this up.  The only problem I can see might be 'managing it' - but that could very well depend in the degree of use of the facility.  Presumably some form of 'opening hours' would need to be decided - perhaps the opening hours of the office.  Would this be difficult to standardise over the network?  These could all be small points, and there may well be a way around them.

Metered electric: I am guessing here, but I suspect this may be an issue for the future in any case, in some form or another.  I know the Club are aware that there are members who are bringing 'electric' cars on to site that need charging.  At the moment, it is only a small number, but if this increases, I guess the Club will need to devise some sort of payment system if it is thought that charging cars on site is making a significant difference to the overall cost for each member to use electric.  The Club are aware but at present it is not widespread.  I think it may well be a question of 'watch this space.. '  smile

David

moulesy replied on 14/03/2019 10:18

Posted on 14/03/2019 09:12 by

No merit in NPR for arrivals though. It is part of the wardens remit to vet the arrivals for suitability of their RV. 

Posted on 14/03/2019 10:18

I was thinking more of the first half of CY's post, Alan.

But still, for me, at present, metering is unnecessary and the non EHU option preferable for the small (in my estimation) number who would choose it

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