So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

moulesy replied on 08/03/2019 17:42

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:36 by

Now here's a thought.  This afternoon I was in the outdoor jacuzzi and struck up a conversation with a Swede, a German, and a French couple.  During a wide ranging conversation one asked if the others had visited the UK with their van.  Well to cut a very long story short, they had all been and two had used CC Ltd sites. After some joking they all agreed between themselves that "they were very expensive Aires or Stellplats".  I said but they are sold as UK campsites.  No, no said the German they are much too basic.  Aires said the French lady, no café, no shop and far from commerce.  

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:42

And no mention of Brexit? ! ! surprised

JVB66 replied on 08/03/2019 17:43

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:21 by DustyRhoades

The crux of the original post is still not answered, motorhome services at club sites are woefully inadequate. If has taken 32 years to get a few grates for grey water draining rather than a 'manhole cover' then that shows to continuing 'caravan' attitude to club site refurbishments.

Even the latest refurbishments only allow partial tank emptying or filling due to the slope at the designated 'motorhome service points' (Tewkesbury, Dunnet Bay)


We often have to go against the 'one way' systems to drain our grey water tanks or fill with fresh water due to the lack of a suitable layout a the service area.

 

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:43

But then motor caravans were few and far between in 1967 it is only in the last few years that there has been any real increase in ownership,whereas they have been more prevelant ."over there"but even then it was hit and miss when we did some countries, with what was available and despite what some say, I understand it still is

And as the majority of sites  of both major uk clubs are leased it is not as some would expect, easy to get parts of sites "altered"for what is not part of the inclusive ethos of this club

replied on 08/03/2019 17:43

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:21 by DustyRhoades

The crux of the original post is still not answered, motorhome services at club sites are woefully inadequate. If has taken 32 years to get a few grates for grey water draining rather than a 'manhole cover' then that shows to continuing 'caravan' attitude to club site refurbishments.

Even the latest refurbishments only allow partial tank emptying or filling due to the slope at the designated 'motorhome service points' (Tewkesbury, Dunnet Bay)


We often have to go against the 'one way' systems to drain our grey water tanks or fill with fresh water due to the lack of a suitable layout a the service area.

 

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:43

The Crux of the original post seems to have been that aire type facilities are required. This is a forum and as such has been answered by a number of posters. 

Cornersteady replied on 08/03/2019 17:44

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:36 by

Now here's a thought.  This afternoon I was in the outdoor jacuzzi and struck up a conversation with a Swede, a German, and a French couple.  During a wide ranging conversation one asked if the others had visited the UK with their van.  Well to cut a very long story short, they had all been and two had used CC Ltd sites. After some joking they all agreed between themselves that "they were very expensive Aires or Stellplats".  I said but they are sold as UK campsites.  No, no said the German they are much too basic.  Aires said the French lady, no café, no shop and far from commerce.  

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:44

not really a thought DD more a statement or lecture really.

So what is your point? We poor British don't know how to build sites? That we don't know how badly off we are?

Does 'one' really care what over there tourers think of our sites? Are we to start providing sites that suit them or look after our home market? Which on club sites, despite being sooo bad appear difficult to get a pitch on at certain times.

Now here is a 'thought' - do we want to up our game and have more expensive sites to attract these over there folk and make getting a pitch even more difficult?

Cornersteady replied on 08/03/2019 17:47

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:21 by DustyRhoades

The crux of the original post is still not answered, motorhome services at club sites are woefully inadequate. If has taken 32 years to get a few grates for grey water draining rather than a 'manhole cover' then that shows to continuing 'caravan' attitude to club site refurbishments.

Even the latest refurbishments only allow partial tank emptying or filling due to the slope at the designated 'motorhome service points' (Tewkesbury, Dunnet Bay)


We often have to go against the 'one way' systems to drain our grey water tanks or fill with fresh water due to the lack of a suitable layout a the service area.

 

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:47

well it has been answered buy the large amount of MH that use club sites, if they were so bad as you describe they would go elsewhere?

Don't get this drive around thing, I though MH lasted for days without having to visit the SP, so driving around a real problem?

replied on 08/03/2019 17:52

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:36 by

Now here's a thought.  This afternoon I was in the outdoor jacuzzi and struck up a conversation with a Swede, a German, and a French couple.  During a wide ranging conversation one asked if the others had visited the UK with their van.  Well to cut a very long story short, they had all been and two had used CC Ltd sites. After some joking they all agreed between themselves that "they were very expensive Aires or Stellplats".  I said but they are sold as UK campsites.  No, no said the German they are much too basic.  Aires said the French lady, no café, no shop and far from commerce.  

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:52

I said but they are sold as UK campsites. No, no said the German they are much too basic. Aires said the French lady, no café, no shop and far from commerce.  

So only sites ' not far from commerce' are acceptable. As far as no café, no shop that is what users probably like. There are alternatives

mickysf replied on 08/03/2019 18:00

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:43 by

The Crux of the original post seems to have been that aire type facilities are required. This is a forum and as such has been answered by a number of posters. 

Posted on 08/03/2019 18:00

They most certainly are required but not a provision on club sites it seems to me. That appears to be the call of many here.  

JVB66 replied on 08/03/2019 18:05

Posted on 08/03/2019 17:36 by

Now here's a thought.  This afternoon I was in the outdoor jacuzzi and struck up a conversation with a Swede, a German, and a French couple.  During a wide ranging conversation one asked if the others had visited the UK with their van.  Well to cut a very long story short, they had all been and two had used CC Ltd sites. After some joking they all agreed between themselves that "they were very expensive Aires or Stellplats".  I said but they are sold as UK campsites.  No, no said the German they are much too basic.  Aires said the French lady, no café, no shop and far from commerce.  

Posted on 08/03/2019 18:05

Reading your usual way off the mark diatribe trying to compare both major clubs type of site  with what it seems is a Haven type holiday camp , that most in this country and the hundreds or maybe thousands of visitors from "over there" who continue to keep coming over here and use club sites ,which are what they want  ,and are on a par and in a lot of instances better than a lot of Camp sites "over there"if reading site reviews about them

moulesy replied on 08/03/2019 18:10

Posted on 08/03/2019 18:10

" no café, no shop and far from commerce. "

Great - sounds just like the sort of site we like!smile

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