So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

Tinwheeler replied on 07/03/2019 12:55

Posted on 07/03/2019 12:55

The Danish system sounds fine if councils, supermarkets etc choose to do it but, again, it’s not an inclusive concept for a caravan and motorhome club.

Wherenext replied on 07/03/2019 13:38

Posted on 07/03/2019 13:38

The Danish model suggested will still have to circumvent the main sticking point. Namely, who will pay for it to be built. Maybe just ask for donations from the Motorhome members? If Caravanners are asked to contribute then there will be serious objections. Unless, of course, all Motorhomes are asked to only use these new fangled rest stops and not use CAMC sites at all, thus freeing up all those pitches that people can't seem to get on. Can't see that happening either. Nope. Not a starter I'm afraid, but good try.

peedee replied on 07/03/2019 13:42

Posted on 07/03/2019 12:29 by moulesy

Mmm....but given that the argument seems to be for using the car park/LNA area on club sites, just how early would you want to be able to access one of these quick turn around pitches? undecided

Posted on 07/03/2019 13:42

That is not a point I have expressed although at a few sites it should be possible to use the LNA, e.g. Moreton in Marsh. I believe at one time the Club did in fact permit the use of the LNA, whether that is still the case I do not know, I have never tried to use it but understand you pay the same rate as if using a pitch so hardly worth it. I have stayed on a commercial site car park in the past (site was full) with the permission of the site manager and all I was asked to do was put some money in the site's charity box so it can be done on some sites!

peedee

moulesy replied on 07/03/2019 13:49

Posted on 07/03/2019 13:42 by peedee

That is not a point I have expressed although at a few sites it should be possible to use the LNA, e.g. Moreton in Marsh. I believe at one time the Club did in fact permit the use of the LNA, whether that is still the case I do not know, I have never tried to use it but understand you pay the same rate as if using a pitch so hardly worth it. I have stayed on a commercial site car park in the past (site was full) with the permission of the site manager and all I was asked to do was put some money in the site's charity box so it can be done on some sites!

peedee

Posted on 07/03/2019 13:49

No, indeed, but BB has argued for that. So there's the dilemma for the club really. You and BB both want basic quick turn around pitches but of different kinds, DD wants similar but has asked for less basic facilities.

What the club does pretty well, IMHO, is to provide facilities equally suitable for the vast majority of members, be they vanners or MHers. What it cannot be expected to do is to cater (at knock down prices) for all the different requirements of individuals and, dare I suggest it, small minorities.

peedee replied on 07/03/2019 13:56

Posted on 07/03/2019 13:56

Is it a small minority? You do not know that but one thing is for sure, it is not small amongst the whole motorhome community of which I question if as many as 30 percent are members of the Club.

peedee

moulesy replied on 07/03/2019 14:28

Posted on 07/03/2019 13:56 by peedee

Is it a small minority? You do not know that but one thing is for sure, it is not small amongst the whole motorhome community of which I question if as many as 30 percent are members of the Club.

peedee

Posted on 07/03/2019 14:28

Well, none of us know for sure, and although I did ask one very keen MHer  (wink) for an estimate earlier in the thread none has been put forward. But judging by the fact that the various petitons mentioned earlier have had relatively poor support I would guess (nothing more than that) that it's a small minority of club MHers  (let alone MHers as a whole) who are touring in the UK in the same way as is being highlighted on the continent and therefore an even smaller minority who would make sufficient use to warrant the expenditure involved.

ATDel replied on 07/03/2019 14:46

Posted on 07/03/2019 13:56 by peedee

Is it a small minority? You do not know that but one thing is for sure, it is not small amongst the whole motorhome community of which I question if as many as 30 percent are members of the Club.

peedee

Posted on 07/03/2019 14:46

Looks like it is a minority on this thread as only about 3 or 4 people are arguing for knock down price car parking spaces for their nights stay.

we own a Motorhome and have just spent the past 10 weeks in Spain mainly  on aires, some free some very cheap and some quite dear for what you get, do I expect the same sort of places in the uk? No I don’t, we do things different in the UK maybe not right but different. I personally cannot see the CAMC advocating aire style parking with inches between outfits in the carpark or wherever but having to have 6m between outfits elsewhere.

Why not contact local councils to do this sort of parking they already have the land in form of car parks in the “right areas”, over night parking at £8 to £10 would be a great money spinner for them. Then you would get the it’s too expensive for what you get brigade complaining. The problem is one persons expensive is another’s good value.

Someone said back a few pages the club is not forward thinking, really, what about all the different accommodation they now supply on different sites, is that not forward thinking and the start of evolving into something more than just a caravan or Motorhome site, generating a lot more money for the club to reinvest.

peedee replied on 07/03/2019 15:44

Posted on 07/03/2019 14:28 by moulesy

Well, none of us know for sure, and although I did ask one very keen MHer  (wink) for an estimate earlier in the thread none has been put forward. But judging by the fact that the various petitons mentioned earlier have had relatively poor support I would guess (nothing more than that) that it's a small minority of club MHers  (let alone MHers as a whole) who are touring in the UK in the same way as is being highlighted on the continent and therefore an even smaller minority who would make sufficient use to warrant the expenditure involved.

Posted on 07/03/2019 15:44

Petitions of late have a very poor response because the government has quite rightly pointed out it is a matter for local authorities not national government. That is probably widely known from one of the very early petitions which did garner many more signatures. So you either lobby local government or the clubs which provide sites.

peedee

P.s just checked the first petition was round about 2004 when like Bluemanga I also wrote to the Club about "Aires"

moulesy replied on 07/03/2019 15:48

Posted on 07/03/2019 15:48

Or Aldi/Lidl etc.....wink

But you tell me, PD, since the last MHer I asked swerved the question, what percentage of club MHers  (let alone MHers as a whole) would you estimate are wanting to tour the UK (for several weeks at a time) in the same way as on the continent?

Navigateur replied on 07/03/2019 15:53

Posted on 07/03/2019 15:53

As both these organisation have run promotions in springtime on camping and caravanning supplies, might this be a good time for whoever it is that is going to approach them to do so.

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