So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

moulesy replied on 06/03/2019 19:18

Posted on 06/03/2019 19:18

"i (along with about 30 other MHs) am looking out in the setting sun onto millions of pounds worth of yachts, in one of Europe's most exclusive marinas"

 

Well, maybe while you're there you could get together and compose that email to Lidl/Aldi asking them about the use of their UK car parks! smile

JayOutdoors replied on 06/03/2019 20:24

Posted on 06/03/2019 20:24

Got back to reading through odd pages here.  This drew my attention.  Not sure what to make of it. Is this post based on knowledge or is it just a speculation.  May be interesting if someone from HO could comment/clarify on any part of BoleroBoy's post.  Or better still if BoleroBoy could comment/confirm which points (if any).are to come to fruition if indeed he has such information.

DaveJ99 replied on 06/03/2019 21:06

Posted on 06/03/2019 21:06

BoleroBoy tells us ... we are having a one nighter in Gibraltar (after a three nighter at Cadiz) and don't require any facilities at all (we have power, water and grey/black emptied this morning) so just a parking place.

i (along with about 30 other MHs) am looking out in the setting sun onto millions of pounds worth of yachts, in one of Europe's most exclusive marinas...to park tonight €12...

now I'd happily pay that to park, no leccy, transit pitch etc, on a club site in a place I wish to be....

That sounds very exotic: Gib, Cadiz, sunset, yachts, exclusive marina, all for €12. Back in Scotland we have sunsets, yachts, exclusive marinas too. Not so exotic perhaps, but you can legally park in a convenient spot nearby for free if you need to economise.

Personally, I am happy to pay to stay on a C&MC site. Having lashed out on the 'van, what matter a few extra pounds for a nice pitch, a chat with fellow members and perhaps a mountain sunset, or even a howling gale. Everyone to their own, eh?

 

replied on 06/03/2019 21:28

Posted on 06/03/2019 21:06 by DaveJ99

BoleroBoy tells us ... we are having a one nighter in Gibraltar (after a three nighter at Cadiz) and don't require any facilities at all (we have power, water and grey/black emptied this morning) so just a parking place.

i (along with about 30 other MHs) am looking out in the setting sun onto millions of pounds worth of yachts, in one of Europe's most exclusive marinas...to park tonight €12...

now I'd happily pay that to park, no leccy, transit pitch etc, on a club site in a place I wish to be....

That sounds very exotic: Gib, Cadiz, sunset, yachts, exclusive marina, all for €12. Back in the Scotland we have sunsets, yachts, exclusive marinas too, not so exotic perhaps, but you can legally park in a convenient spot nearby for free if you need to economise. Everyone to their own, eh?

Personally, I am happy to pay to stay on a C&MC site. Having lashed out on the 'van, what matter a few extra pounds for a nice pitch, a chat with fellow members and perhaps a mountain sunset, or even a howling gale.

 

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DaveJ99 replied on 06/03/2019 21:58

Posted on 06/03/2019 21:28 by

I have done both Cadiz and Mediterranean  sunsets ( not  in a MH Aire but sites) and many visits to Scotland. I had a wonderful holiday at Arisaig  once  nearly 30 years ago but I had plenty of the other sort. Now life is too short for rain and midges however  beautiful the souroundings and my vote goes for heading south as often as possible  for as long as possible. 

As they say everyone to thier own and that's mine.

Posted on 06/03/2019 21:58

David, Just caught up with your web site. It's really good and very helpful to those who have not ventured so far, like me. Well done. Having travelled a great deal in my working life I rather favour short trips around Scotland. Cities in winter, west coast and highland in spring, east coast and Grampian summer & autumn. We occasionally venture to foreign places to the south - Berwick!. As you say each to their own. Have fun. laughing

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Posted on 06/03/2019 21:58 by DaveJ99

David, Just caught up with your web site. It's really good and very helpful to those who have not ventured so far, like me. Well done. Having travelled a great deal in my working life I rather favour short trips around Scotland. Cities in winter, west coast and highland in spring, east coast and Grampian summer & autumn. We occasionally venture to foreign places to the south - Berwick!. As you say each to their own. Have fun. laughing

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Rufs replied on 07/03/2019 08:08

Posted on 06/03/2019 17:09 by young thomas

last week I was talking to a friend of our camping neighbours who was interested in changing to a MH...he mentioned cost...and then calmly told me his current outfit (Range rover and top line Swift) was 'around £90k'...so don't kid anyone caravanning isn't (or can't be) as significant an investment as a MH...

Posted on 07/03/2019 08:08

not me second hand caravan £10k, second hand car £18k, never bought either new in my life and never will, great believer in letting someone else do the snagging. Not adverse to a MH in fact have viewed a few, but the ones i fancy are £30-40k second hand and then i still have to run at least 1 additional car, my pension will not run to that, and certainly not to towing with a Range Rover, have had Discoveries when living in Scotland, now tried and tested Kia Sorento for me.laughing

BlueVanMan replied on 07/03/2019 08:38

Posted on 07/03/2019 08:38

I wrote to the Club quite a few years ago about the topic of "low amenity motorhome pitches" which would increase capacity and thus revenue and also the Club promoting and supporting third parties to create aires in places where that was not at odds with the Clubs network 

I received a detailed and sympathetic reply from the then recently appointed Nick Lomas which demonstrated an understanding of the points I had made. However the bottom line was that he felt that there was no appetite within the Club Executive for what I proposed. 

Despite  the passing of time and the increase in Motorhome Members I see no evidence of change. I suspect the prevailing view is "if it aint broke don't fix it". But there is another relevant adage which is that if you stand still (in business) you go backwards. 

There are major forces at work in the marketplace and change will come but not soon I fear. When they do will the Club be agile enough to remain at the top of the pile ?

JVB66 replied on 07/03/2019 09:15

Posted on 07/03/2019 08:38 by BlueVanMan

I wrote to the Club quite a few years ago about the topic of "low amenity motorhome pitches" which would increase capacity and thus revenue and also the Club promoting and supporting third parties to create aires in places where that was not at odds with the Clubs network 

I received a detailed and sympathetic reply from the then recently appointed Nick Lomas which demonstrated an understanding of the points I had made. However the bottom line was that he felt that there was no appetite within the Club Executive for what I proposed. 

Despite  the passing of time and the increase in Motorhome Members I see no evidence of change. I suspect the prevailing view is "if it aint broke don't fix it". But there is another relevant adage which is that if you stand still (in business) you go backwards. 

There are major forces at work in the marketplace and change will come but not soon I fear. When they do will the Club be agile enough to remain at the top of the pile ?

Posted on 07/03/2019 09:15

And even with the club chairman OBE now driving a motor caravan cool

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