So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

replied on 07/03/2019 09:41

Posted on 06/03/2019 18:06 by young thomas

now M, you know I like all types of sites...the actual reply you quoted was to address the misguided perception that cub sites are near the top of the camping quality tree...

I'm afraid that anyone who has been on a decent quality site will know they're pretty much basic but clean and consistent in what they offer.

this doesn't make them poor (JVB) it just means they aren't the dogs doodaah's when it comes to campsites...

just my opinion of course....but an equally valid one as anyone else's.

again, we are having a one nighter in Gibraltar (after a three nighter at Cadiz) and don't require any facilities at all (we have power, water and grey/black emptied this morning) so just a parking place.

i (along with about 30 other MHs) am looking out in the setting sun onto millions of pounds worth of yachts, in one of Europe's most exclusive marinas...to park tonight €12...

now I'd happily pay that to park, no leccy, transit pitch etc, on a club site in a place I wish to be....

perhaps the simple pitch concept should bea long snake, where no side to side 6m spacing is required, only 3m front to rear...and cars/caravans most welcome....after all, it's an inclusive club. 

Posted on 07/03/2019 09:41

now M, you know I like all types of sites...the actual reply you quoted was to address the misguided perception that cub sites are near the top of the camping quality tree...

I'm afraid that anyone who has been on a decent quality site will know they're pretty much basic but clean and consistent in what they offer.

The club sites are, for me, at or near the top of the 'camping tree' it's simply that I choose a different branch of that tree than you appear to laud! I really do not want a site with all the extras for the simple reason that I shall not be staying on site to use them. 

I suppose that it is similar to my preference in other accommodation. We used to meet as a group of about 15 friends about twice a year, if we were available, and would stay a few nights in a hotel. One year I really did not fancy the choice of hotel it had full gym facilities, swimming pool and sauna with towels provided etc. Totally wasted on us as after a sociable leisurely breakfast we would be off out around 9am to walk, talk, see the sites. Return about 4.30pm, rest, shower and change for dinner. Meet in the bar for a drink and a natter about 6pm onwards. Meal about 7pm accompanied by and followed by more nattering. 

replied on 07/03/2019 09:44

Posted on 07/03/2019 09:44

I wrote to the Club quite a few years ago about the topic of "low amenity motorhome pitches" which would increase capacity and thus revenue

In what way would they have been 'low amenity'? 

mickysf replied on 07/03/2019 10:37

Posted on 06/03/2019 16:03 by mickysf

" .... many Club sites and most CLs are in the wrong place for motorhomers."

Again another example of stereotyping motorhomers which attributes us all with the same requirements, wishes and needs. I've yet to turn up at a club site or CL to find it in the wrong place!

Posted on 07/03/2019 10:37

I keep thinking about that quote above and it really baffles me. Can anyone, particularly the author, name one site which is in the wrong place and then explain why?

Navigateur replied on 07/03/2019 10:46

Posted on 07/03/2019 10:46

I think (guess really) that this example must be the logic.

"I want to stay at Fortrose.  The Caravan Club site is in Culloden. Therefore - it is not in the right place.  It is wrong."

The fact that there is a lovely Camping and Caravan Club site 1/2 mile away in Rosmarkie, and two commercial sites within the same distance is not considered.  The Caravan Club is just wrong.

mickysf replied on 07/03/2019 11:02

Posted on 07/03/2019 10:46 by Navigateur

I think (guess really) that this example must be the logic.

"I want to stay at Fortrose.  The Caravan Club site is in Culloden. Therefore - it is not in the right place.  It is wrong."

The fact that there is a lovely Camping and Caravan Club site 1/2 mile away in Rosmarkie, and two commercial sites within the same distance is not considered.  The Caravan Club is just wrong.

Posted on 07/03/2019 11:02

Yep, bit like saying Dunnet Bay is wrong if you wish to visit Penzance. 

However the author suggested many and most sites were wrong for motorhomers which suggests that they are fine only for caravaners. What is it about motorhomers that makes them wrong?

Wildwood replied on 07/03/2019 11:02

Posted on 07/03/2019 11:02

Sites tend to be where the club can get them. They may be in the wrong place for some, but the right place can be prohibitively expensive.

DustyRhoades replied on 07/03/2019 11:53

Posted on 07/03/2019 11:53

What about a system similar to that in Denmark i.e. 

Basic facilities of a motorhome spot.
You can arrive at a motorhome site at any time of the day or night. The basic facility offered by a motorhome site is an even, stable pitch on which to park the motorhome. You then have the option of paying for electricity, access to a toilet and shower, filling your water tank with clean water and emptying your waste tank. 

The cost of staying at one of the many motorhome sites varies from site to site. Some motorhome sites, for example, charge an hourly rate of DKK 8 (90p) for the basic pitch, while others charge DKK 100 (£12) for the period from 8 pm to 10 am for the basic pitch. 

Similar to a lot of 'Late Arrivals' areas or site car parks.

The essence being late arrival and early departure!

 

peedee replied on 07/03/2019 12:14

Posted on 07/03/2019 12:14

The essence being late arrival and early departure!

I have used the Danish system and found it makes for far too long a day. Not too keen on the idea myself but it would still be an improvement on what is offered today for short stays.

peedee

moulesy replied on 07/03/2019 12:29

Posted on 07/03/2019 12:14 by peedee

The essence being late arrival and early departure!

I have used the Danish system and found it makes for far too long a day. Not too keen on the idea myself but it would still be an improvement on what is offered today for short stays.

peedee

Posted on 07/03/2019 12:29

Mmm....but given that the argument seems to be for using the car park/LNA area on club sites, just how early would you want to be able to access one of these quick turn around pitches? undecided

Navigateur replied on 07/03/2019 12:39

Posted on 07/03/2019 12:39

I don't see a big problem using the LNA area on sites that have one, provided it is vacated before 8pm.

The space is, after all, there for LATE ARRIVALS.

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