So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

peedee replied on 06/03/2019 14:36

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:29 by DaveJ99

I have long viewed the C&MC as a kind of hotel chain. Moreover, I have always thought it to be at the quality end of the market, setting the standard by which others are judged.

Considering the OPs well argued case I turned to the hotel analogy and asked myself how an upmarket hotel chain would respond.

Imagine if I was to say that I would like to stay in your famous hotel, but I needed a lower price because, I had no plans to take a shower, I didn't need heating, or lighting, or a restaurant, or a pool, or a gym, just a small space with a bed. "Well sir," might come the reply, "We are not in that kind of business and do not plan to be because we are very often full. But there is a very nice hostel around the corner that might suit."

Market forces will decide who provides what kind product. There are prestigious hotels, budgets brands, Fawlty Towers, B&Bs, bunkhouses and so on. You pays you money and takes your choice. If there is profit in it you will get your wish.

But the Hilton is not going to go into the bunkhouse business and I do not see the CAMC developing MotorCaravan Lite sites or facilities when it may be harder to make it pay and others are better placed to do so. Meantime, we will have to make do with the market offering we have

Now I am off to the rather nice golf club round the corner to see if they will put in Crazy Golf, because I really don't want to pay for a clubhouse, 18 holes and all that grass. I guess they will say membership is not compulsory, sir.

Posted on 06/03/2019 14:36

Club sites are only quality in their class, they are hardly quality in the overall market, so in that respect I agree with DD.

Going back to your analogy, the Club changed its name to make it more appealing to a different clientele, the Hilton is still the Hilton it hasn't tried to attract a wider customer base by a change of name.. If the Club really wants to attract and keep motorhome owners and encourage existing motorhome owning members to use their facilities more, I think it has to change some more.

peedee 

JVB66 replied on 06/03/2019 15:02

Posted on 06/03/2019 10:41 by

I have only been a non-member for some months.  Prior to that CC Ltd published the costs as given at the A.G.M.  It has probably risen by now.  I read things and have a reasonable memory (although my OH may disagree with that undecided).  Also the annual reports of any limited company are in the public domain, and again I read things.  You should try it wink.

Posted on 06/03/2019 15:02

I think you OH is spot onwink

JVB66 replied on 06/03/2019 15:09

Posted on 06/03/2019 10:55 by

At present CC Ltd offers Cottages, Camping Pods, Glamping Pods, Airstream Caravans, Yurts, Provision for tents, and pitches for Caravans on which motorhomes can also park.  Why should they not offer pitches for motorhomes on which caravans can also park?  

Posted on 06/03/2019 15:09

I think they already doundecided

replied on 06/03/2019 15:14

Posted on 06/03/2019 14:22 by peedee

How full was the motorhome park, was there any space available? Apart from the lack of space many motorhome owners, me included, will stay on a full facility site and probably use the EHU if staying for more than just a few nights. That could account for why you see quite a few on Club sites plus the fact there is always a need for the ablutions at some point while on tour.

peedee

Posted on 06/03/2019 15:14

There is room on that site during December and for a few months for at least 30 to 40 vans spaced out. I suspect that EHU is limited to those booked for its usage down one row of probably 10 vans. There is usually room to space out well. In peak summer I believe stop over is free if buying admission to the funfair.

T o give an idea here are some Google Earth snips. Maybe gives a false impression as there seems to have been a rally in the Park behind the CC site on June 29 2018

Picas are the MH park, CC site and The rally.

Rufs replied on 06/03/2019 15:15

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:06 by

Virtually every pitch is EHU undecided which is more geared to the needs of caravans than MHs.  

Posted on 06/03/2019 15:15

no they are multi functional, so if a MH arrives on site and there are only non EHU available they are more likely to take it than somebody with a caravan, but if a MH arrives on site and there are only EHU available they are still likely as not to take it even if they dont need it and have to pay for it , so if you make them all EHU  you cater more fully for both customers needs, might seem like a crook deal for the MH but the percentages for the club making money are much greater.

mickysf replied on 06/03/2019 15:24

Posted on 06/03/2019 15:24

The question was what has this club done for motorhomers. My question is what is meant by motorhomers? Thing is not all motorhomers require or wish for the same thing and it would be wrong to assume we do. I for one, and I suspect many others, would not wish our club to go down the route of providing aire type pitches at the expense of other forms of pitches on any of the network. I believe this to be a very different business model to that offered by the club and should be left to those providers who could do it best. After all, the club does offer us, all types of units, just that one night booking. 

The notion of using LNAs, where available, not all sites have them, for this purpose is also flawed in my opinion as this would impinge on their proper use. After all we could all fall foul of that unexpected event which means an unplanned late arrival. Given that we can arrive up until 8:00pm then the staff may not know if an LNA is free until that very last member arrives at site. I for one would not be happy following a stressfull event and having informed the staff just prior to 8:00pm of my late arrival if I was then told that no LNA bays were now vacant. If the choice is between LNA bays or Aires my vote goes with those LNAs.

JVB66 replied on 06/03/2019 15:25

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:06 by

Virtually every pitch is EHU undecided which is more geared to the needs of caravans than MHs.  

Posted on 06/03/2019 15:25

We are at our second home and not one LV is not connected to a bollard, and according to the site staff .when we were talking/joking about this thread ,they have not, in their years with the club been asked for a non electric pitch and they have been on two sites that they were available 

Takethedogalong replied on 06/03/2019 15:34

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:00 by Rufs

think a couple of sentences in your post raise an interesting question

So it’s got nothing to do with caravans being favoured over MH’s. It’s more that MHs have become more popular in this country,

Putting in drive over waste drains is good, but it’s more of a health and safety issue and a nod towards the age of those taking up MH ownership in this country, ie bending and lifting are now difficult.

 by implication, and correct me if i am wrong, your inference is that it is the current older generation who are making Mh'ing so popular

and the question, so , how long will MH's be so popular ?, can the younger generation afford such luxury items?. A £50k MH for example is quite a few all inclusives, and I saw an advert only this morning for Easy Jet, £49 return to Menorca, whats that a couple of hundred miles in a MH or car tugging.

also with the advent of EV's and banishing diesel, will MH's continue to be so popular.

If i was writing a business case for building new infrastucture to accomodate MH's I would certainly be asking these questions as a starting item.

Posted on 06/03/2019 15:34

I think owning and using a campervan has always been popular, we were in our early 20’s for example, but this current trend in MH ownership does appear to be driven by older generation, let’s say 50 plus. Some people are retiring early, have access to a lump sum of money or savings, want something perceived as slightly easier to use and tour with rather than a caravan. Particularly if they are not coming from a camping/caravanning background, and the baggage that might go with that down the years. It’s a rare caravanner that tours stopping only one or two nights at a site, outside of travelling to a longer stay somewhere. Some folks are switching to MHs from caravans. The wise ones are taking a good look at how they want to tour, and with luck finding an appropriately sized outfit to cope with UK, rather than buying a MH that replicates the space they might have had in a caravan, and finding out that in this country, it’s easier to tour in something smaller, so they are using a bus pass or trying to cycle everywhere! Club is doing what it can, where it can to put drive over waste points in rather than the lid lifting back busters that were previously provided. That’s just health and safety moving in line with current trends.

How long will it last? 20 years is a very long time in terms of holiday trends, so hopefully, it will see us out fine, and the current crop of new MH owners. Youngsters might prefer touring space by then, so it is all wait and see. What is becoming more predictable is that they won’t have anything like the savings, pensions, spending power of my generation, so electric or not, MHs possibly won’t be as popular anyway. They will be working until they are 70, saving to try and give their children a start and probably won’t have the time because caring for grandchildren will come first. A tad cynical, but that’s the way life in this country is heading. Saving to most is a luxury that might if they are lucky get them a couple of trips abroad in a year, or half a dozen weekend trips if that’s preferred. Most can’t afford to have a mortgage, (if they choose) let alone a MH. That’s if they are still in any kind of long term workplace.

This country has a very long way to go before fully electric car ownership becomes mainstream for all but local journeys. I will start to worry about diesel when HGVs are electric, planes are electric, 🤣and the Government has worked out how it is going to replace tax revenues on petrol and diesel sales. Those with electric vehicles are hopefully enjoying very cheap motoring at the moment, after initial purchase costs, but those tax revenues will be clawed back from us somehow, of that I am certain. That’s why we aren’t currently diving into the world of electric motoring. (I do recall the withdrawal of leaded petrol predicting the end of classic car motoring, but our MG still manages to get from A to B quickly!)

I don’t compare living in this country with anywhere else, because I cannot influence things enough, and besides which, OH and I are not your typical ageing couple. We have seven siblings between us, and not one of them enjoys the lifestyle we do, for a variety of reasons. If I take a holiday somewhere overseas, I am happy to live within that culture and make the most of it. Likewise if I holiday here, it’s because it suits, I can work with the budget and the infrastructure.

Predicting trends is extraordinarily difficult, just ask any high street shopping chain. A huge extra spanner has been thrown into our current lives at the moment, we don’t even know what is down the line in a month’s time, let alone another ten years. But I predict it isn’t going to be as good as it has been.

 

 

moulesy replied on 06/03/2019 15:40

Posted on 06/03/2019 15:40

" .... many Club sites and most CLs are in the wrong place for motorhomers."

How stupid of the club to put its sites in the wrong places!  surprised

But surely then it makes even less sense to go to the expense being suggested?

Takethedogalong replied on 06/03/2019 15:57

Posted on 06/03/2019 15:57

The only common sense answer to that statement is “ don’t bl**dy join then!” 

Only if you have a big MH. And are used to the Continent, and want to tour on the cheap. For those like us, Club membership is currently giving us most of what we need and want.😂

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