So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

replied on 06/03/2019 13:04

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:04

One thing that puzzles me about this rhetoric that 'the times they are a changing' and that motoromers want nothing more than a patch of hard ground and low fees doesn't quite gel with what I see. I see plenty of motorhomes using the sites. At Southport for the Christmas week the pitch fees are high. Because of location it is popular with motorhomes as well as caravans. There are usually around 8 or so motorhomes on the very large gated car park type area closer to town alongside pleasureland. Price there is from £8 to £10 a night with Waste, water etcplus £3 for 5amp EHU if required. It seems that some want to use that facility and save probably £20 a night at that time of year but many do not. So it does not appeal to all motorhomers as if they were a homogeneous species. 

https://www.searchforsites.co.uk/marker.php?id=23755

replied on 06/03/2019 13:06

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:23 by Tinwheeler

But that’s equal. Where is the inequality at present - the bias towards caravanners?

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:06

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Cornersteady replied on 06/03/2019 13:08

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:09 by

The sites and the way CC Ltd operates them is heavily biased towards the uses and needs of towed caravans and caravanners. Is it selfish to expect CAMC to make equal provision for the uses and needs of motorhomes and motorhomers? It seems selfish to expect that the needs of one is more important than the other which is the case at present. As you suggest the clue is in the [new] name.  

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:08

The sites and the way CC Ltd operates them is heavily biased towards the uses and needs of towed caravans and caravanners.

state how?

Navigateur replied on 06/03/2019 13:08

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:08

Perhaps we need to question the future prospects for taking a small living unit about the country at all?

Could the Caravan Club actually know what they are doing with all the yurts and things they are trialing? Will some day the surviving sites have perhaps just one or two pitches for people who want to bring their own accomodation?

Anyone fancy looking through a list of the one-time Caravan Club sites now no longer part of the network and count up for me how many are presently occupied by static caravans, houses, flats etc.

Cornersteady replied on 06/03/2019 13:16

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:16

what nonsense (you are winding people up again aren't you or clutching at straws?)

You are really saying that EHU is the decisive factor in the bias toward caravans?

Caravans can't and don't have similar solar panels to MHs?

Caravans can't survive with EHU?

So MH do not connect to EHU when there is a choice? I think people have said that on CCC all MHs take up the offer?

So why are there so many MH on club sites? I don't get it?

Unless you claim the BB theory of either not being 'savvy' enough or too 'timid' is correct why so many? Why aren't all these MH using non EHU or EHU choice sites? 

Rufs replied on 06/03/2019 13:17

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:17

 Perhaps we need to question the future prospects for taking a small living unit about the country at all?

for those that do, maybe a "Time Share" approach could be deployed. I already know familes who have pooled resources to buy a unit and take it in turns to use as and when. Six berth caravan on site with 2 adults and 4 children is still good value for money if you dont have the full outlay for a unit.

Cornersteady replied on 06/03/2019 13:18

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:04 by

One thing that puzzles me about this rhetoric that 'the times they are a changing' and that motoromers want nothing more than a patch of hard ground and low fees doesn't quite gel with what I see. I see plenty of motorhomes using the sites. At Southport for the Christmas week the pitch fees are high. Because of location it is popular with motorhomes as well as caravans. There are usually around 8 or so motorhomes on the very large gated car park type area closer to town alongside pleasureland. Price there is from £8 to £10 a night with Waste, water etcplus £3 for 5amp EHU if required. It seems that some want to use that facility and save probably £20 a night at that time of year but many do not. So it does not appeal to all motorhomers as if they were a homogeneous species. 

https://www.searchforsites.co.uk/marker.php?id=23755

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:18

yes +1

Tinwheeler replied on 06/03/2019 13:20

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:06 by

Virtually every pitch is EHU undecided which is more geared to the needs of caravans than MHs.  

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:20

Frankly, DD, that’s balderdash. 

DaveJ99 replied on 06/03/2019 13:29

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:29

I have long viewed the C&MC as a kind of hotel chain. Moreover, I have always thought it to be at the quality end of the market, setting the standard by which others are judged.

Considering the OPs well argued case I turned to the hotel analogy and asked myself how an upmarket hotel chain would respond.

Imagine if I was to say that I would like to stay in your famous hotel, but I needed a lower price because, I had no plans to take a shower, I didn't need heating, or lighting, or a restaurant, or a pool, or a gym, just a small space with a bed. "Well sir," might come the reply, "We are not in that kind of business and do not plan to be because we are very often full. But there is a very nice hostel around the corner that might suit."

Market forces will decide who provides what kind product. There are prestigious hotels, budgets brands, Fawlty Towers, B&Bs, bunkhouses and so on. You pays you money and takes your choice. If there is profit in it you will get your wish.

But the Hilton is not going to go into the bunkhouse business and I do not see the CAMC developing MotorCaravan Lite sites or facilities when it may be harder to make it pay and others are better placed to do so. Meantime, we will have to make do with the market offering we have

Now I am off to the rather nice golf club round the corner to see if they will put in Crazy Golf, because I really don't want to pay for a clubhouse, 18 holes and all that grass. I guess they will say membership is not compulsory, sir.

replied on 06/03/2019 13:32

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:08 by Cornersteady

The sites and the way CC Ltd operates them is heavily biased towards the uses and needs of towed caravans and caravanners.

state how?

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:32

I am sure that DD will say that it is because motorhomers don't need EHU. Which as a generalisation may be true for many  (maybe most?) motorhomers but not all.

More relevant though is not what users need but more importantly what they want. (See my earlier post about Southport where motorhomes choose to pay £33.60 for two rather than £10 on the nearby basic site). 

Why would they? Simply because they prefer to use the CC site. Many use a CC site and don't need the facilities block and that includes me. I am paying about £10 a night for the two of us to have facilities that we often manage happily without. That goes with the site choice. 

Don't assume that because somebody does not need something that they don't want it. I don't need a scotch but when I have prepared a casserole for our evening meal in advance but I shall dam well have one out of of the unopened bottle of Abelour that I received at Christmas. 

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