So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

replied on 06/03/2019 12:09

Posted on 06/03/2019 11:55 by Cornersteady

but I do DD, yes of course both may have different wants and needs. But what you fail to understand is that the CAMC is just that, there is more than a hint in the title, especially the and part. It includes both caravans and MHs. It caters for both but more importantly for every (this is the part you fail to understand or you are winding people up as you often claim happily to do) member without fail. Money from all is spent for all. 

At present all pitches take caravans and MHs, no one is excluded. 

MHs may want different things but it is simply selfish to expect that the needs of one is more important than the other. 

Once again, this is how the club operates. If you feel they do not cater for your needs then go elsewhere or start your own club?

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:09

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Tinwheeler replied on 06/03/2019 12:14

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:00 by Rufs

I wasn’t actually asking you, Rufs,

as a paid up member, I do not need your permission to reply to a post.

but please tell me what you feel is sensible about the club using the money you have put into its coffers to provide a chain of nightstops across the country from which you will be barred as you are not a motorhomer?

am certainly not advocating this, my position on this briefly is, all club sites should stay as is, when it comes to charging for pitches, so whoever rocks up at a site in whatever, if a pitch is £15 everybody pays £15. If you have purchased a very expensive MH/caravan and dont need the facilities, sorry, they are provided if you dont want to use them dont use them, your choice.

Ok to provide dumping grounds for waste water or whatever, this is sensible, perhaps we wont see Mh's leaving site with water pouring out of the waste pipe.

As for providing a chain of nightstops, no way, in my opinion this would take revenue away from the club by reducing occupancy rates and would require a very large amount of new investment, money which could be spent on improving existing sites. Why build something you maybe  charge £5/£10 per night when you have existing at £15+ per night.

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:14

For goodness sake, I didn’t say you needed my permission!

We are broadly in agreement which makes me wonder why you referred to the thread, or OP, as sensible. 🤔

replied on 06/03/2019 12:21

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:09 by moulesy

In what way is the CAMC not providing "equal provision" for caravanneras and MHers, DD? undecided

 

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Tinwheeler replied on 06/03/2019 12:23

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:21 by

T start with how about the equal provision of decently located non-EHU pitches.  All available to both c/vans and MHs of course.  

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:23

But that’s equal. Where is the inequality at present - the bias towards caravanners?

peedee replied on 06/03/2019 12:27

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:27

As Eurotraveller has said the market is changing, motorhome ownership is on the increase in the UK and with it comes an increasing demand for simple short term night stop facilities. This thread and that highlighting the increase in self reliance of energy and the requirements for less facilities, e.g. EHU, are driven by this changing market. The question in my mind and that of the OP is:

Is the Club meeting these requirements or even planning to meet them?

The signs are not that good, at the moment they are just tinkering around the edges. In the meantime, in the last 15 years, at least three organisations have made attempts at addressing this market, "Brit Stops" is one of them and while they seem to have got a foothold in the market, none, as yet, have the resource that the Club has to progress further. I would like to think it is only a question of time before they do or someone with the wherewithal moves in or, like the Scottish Tourist Board, it dawns on authorities responsible for tourist areas that there is money to be made by making better provision for touring motorhomes.

If the Club really does want to attract those new to motorhome touring and retain them, or encourage exisiting motorhome owning members to make more use of their sites,  in my view they need to be doing more to stop members turning to other organisations.

peedee

 

 

replied on 06/03/2019 12:33

Posted on 06/03/2019 10:55 by

At present CC Ltd offers Cottages, Camping Pods, Glamping Pods, Airstream Caravans, Yurts, Provision for tents, and pitches for Caravans on which motorhomes can also park.  Why should they not offer pitches for motorhomes on which caravans can also park?  

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:33

Why should they not offer pitches for motorhomes on which caravans can also park?  

They do!

moulesy replied on 06/03/2019 12:34

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:21 by

To start with how about the equal provision of decently located non-EHU pitches.  All available to both c/vans and MHs of course.  

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:34

Well, I agree, that could very easily be achieved by offering a non EHU option as I've already said, for a modest reduction in fee. Personally, given what I've seen on C&CC sites I doubt it would have much take up, but it would be quicker and easier than installing meters.

Takethedogalong replied on 06/03/2019 12:35

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:35

We were Motor caravanners long before we were Caravanning members. It didn’t need a name change 30 plus years ago to convince us that Club was worth joining with our tiny camper van. Ok, at the time there were some stuffy Wardens, but that was mainly because our camper looked like a car until we deployed roof and set up interior.

So it’s got nothing to do with caravans being favoured over MH’s. It’s more that MHs have become more popular in this country, and those who use a MH overseas, where it’s an established culture, feel the need to expect the Club to replicate overseas type services and conditions.There’s only a few things we think might want Club to change in terms of making touring with MH easier, one of which is arrival times. Putting in drive over waste drains is good, but it’s more of a health and safety issue and a nod towards the age of those taking up MH ownership in this country, ie bending and lifting are now difficult.

MH or caravan, we are always made welcome at Club Sites. If they don’t meet our particular touring needs all the time, then we include sites and places that do. There are plenty of site options around. Those who want to park in town centres should lobby local authorities or supermarkets. (Mind you, if you parked in most local Aldi car parks in this country overnight, you might find yourself requiring a new set of wheels upon waking up!)

replied on 06/03/2019 12:37

Posted on 06/03/2019 11:14 by young thomas

...but the waste and water points are already on the sites, along with the  wonderful redeveloped MHSPs...

no electric required, water and waste already in place...

as I said, a pot of paint and the desire to kick something off and trial it is all that's needed....

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:37

and the desire to kick something off and trial it is all that's needed....

Or should that be 'the desire to kick members vehicles off the car park to make way for BB and CO.'?

 

Rufs replied on 06/03/2019 13:00

Posted on 06/03/2019 12:35 by Takethedogalong

We were Motor caravanners long before we were Caravanning members. It didn’t need a name change 30 plus years ago to convince us that Club was worth joining with our tiny camper van. Ok, at the time there were some stuffy Wardens, but that was mainly because our camper looked like a car until we deployed roof and set up interior.

So it’s got nothing to do with caravans being favoured over MH’s. It’s more that MHs have become more popular in this country, and those who use a MH overseas, where it’s an established culture, feel the need to expect the Club to replicate overseas type services and conditions.There’s only a few things we think might want Club to change in terms of making touring with MH easier, one of which is arrival times. Putting in drive over waste drains is good, but it’s more of a health and safety issue and a nod towards the age of those taking up MH ownership in this country, ie bending and lifting are now difficult.

MH or caravan, we are always made welcome at Club Sites. If they don’t meet our particular touring needs all the time, then we include sites and places that do. There are plenty of site options around. Those who want to park in town centres should lobby local authorities or supermarkets. (Mind you, if you parked in most local Aldi car parks in this country overnight, you might find yourself requiring a new set of wheels upon waking up!)

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:00

think a couple of sentences in your post raise an interesting question

So it’s got nothing to do with caravans being favoured over MH’s. It’s more that MHs have become more popular in this country,

Putting in drive over waste drains is good, but it’s more of a health and safety issue and a nod towards the age of those taking up MH ownership in this country, ie bending and lifting are now difficult.

 by implication, and correct me if i am wrong, your inference is that it is the current older generation who are making Mh'ing so popular

and the question, so , how long will MH's be so popular ?, can the younger generation afford such luxury items?. A £50k MH for example is quite a few all inclusives, and I saw an advert only this morning for Easy Jet, £49 return to Menorca, whats that a couple of hundred miles in a MH or car tugging.

also with the advent of EV's and banishing diesel, will MH's continue to be so popular.

If i was writing a business case for building new infrastucture to accomodate MH's I would certainly be asking these questions as a starting item.

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