So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

replied on 06/03/2019 13:36

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:36

Now I am off to the rather nice golf club round the corner to see if they will put in Crazy Golf, because I really don't want to pay for a clubhouse, 18 holes and all that grass. I guess they will say membership is not compulsory, sir.

Perhaps they will let you just play the back nine provided you Tee off no later than 9.30am ?

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Posted on 06/03/2019 13:29 by DaveJ99

I have long viewed the C&MC as a kind of hotel chain. Moreover, I have always thought it to be at the quality end of the market, setting the standard by which others are judged.

Considering the OPs well argued case I turned to the hotel analogy and asked myself how an upmarket hotel chain would respond.

Imagine if I was to say that I would like to stay in your famous hotel, but I needed a lower price because, I had no plans to take a shower, I didn't need heating, or lighting, or a restaurant, or a pool, or a gym, just a small space with a bed. "Well sir," might come the reply, "We are not in that kind of business and do not plan to be because we are very often full. But there is a very nice hostel around the corner that might suit."

Market forces will decide who provides what kind product. There are prestigious hotels, budgets brands, Fawlty Towers, B&Bs, bunkhouses and so on. You pays you money and takes your choice. If there is profit in it you will get your wish.

But the Hilton is not going to go into the bunkhouse business and I do not see the CAMC developing MotorCaravan Lite sites or facilities when it may be harder to make it pay and others are better placed to do so. Meantime, we will have to make do with the market offering we have

Now I am off to the rather nice golf club round the corner to see if they will put in Crazy Golf, because I really don't want to pay for a clubhouse, 18 holes and all that grass. I guess they will say membership is not compulsory, sir.

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replied on 06/03/2019 13:58

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:58

I suggest that you went wrong in your first paragraph.

In that case I cannot see that you would want to be a member if you think that they are poor standard. But that  is the problem. Knowing what people want and I may well be wrong.

eurortraveller replied on 06/03/2019 13:59

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:59

Why do they choose to stay here when there's a perfectly good campsite three miles inland?  Answer is those three miles. And many Club sites and most CLs are in the wrong place for motorhomers. This Club could get land and cater for them (and free up pitches on the real sites) but I'm betting this Club won't. 

Cornersteady replied on 06/03/2019 14:12

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:59 by eurortraveller

Why do they choose to stay here when there's a perfectly good campsite three miles inland?  Answer is those three miles. And many Club sites and most CLs are in the wrong place for motorhomers. This Club could get land and cater for them (and free up pitches on the real sites) but I'm betting this Club won't. 

Posted on 06/03/2019 14:12

Now that is a car park

Cornersteady replied on 06/03/2019 14:13

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:58 by

I suggest that you went wrong in your first paragraph.

In that case I cannot see that you would want to be a member if you think that they are poor standard. But that  is the problem. Knowing what people want and I may well be wrong.

Posted on 06/03/2019 14:13

except that a lot of people stay on club sites and think the same as you?

Cornersteady replied on 06/03/2019 14:14

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:29 by DaveJ99

I have long viewed the C&MC as a kind of hotel chain. Moreover, I have always thought it to be at the quality end of the market, setting the standard by which others are judged.

Considering the OPs well argued case I turned to the hotel analogy and asked myself how an upmarket hotel chain would respond.

Imagine if I was to say that I would like to stay in your famous hotel, but I needed a lower price because, I had no plans to take a shower, I didn't need heating, or lighting, or a restaurant, or a pool, or a gym, just a small space with a bed. "Well sir," might come the reply, "We are not in that kind of business and do not plan to be because we are very often full. But there is a very nice hostel around the corner that might suit."

Market forces will decide who provides what kind product. There are prestigious hotels, budgets brands, Fawlty Towers, B&Bs, bunkhouses and so on. You pays you money and takes your choice. If there is profit in it you will get your wish.

But the Hilton is not going to go into the bunkhouse business and I do not see the CAMC developing MotorCaravan Lite sites or facilities when it may be harder to make it pay and others are better placed to do so. Meantime, we will have to make do with the market offering we have

Now I am off to the rather nice golf club round the corner to see if they will put in Crazy Golf, because I really don't want to pay for a clubhouse, 18 holes and all that grass. I guess they will say membership is not compulsory, sir.

Posted on 06/03/2019 14:14

very good post +1

Cornersteady replied on 06/03/2019 14:19

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:46 by

I suggest that you went wrong in your first paragraph. I have always viewed CC Ltd sites to be at the very basic end of the market. In most cases all you get is water and waste disposal, electricity, a public lave style facilities block, maybe a bit of night lighting and the use of a small plot of land. What parts are up market?

Posted on 06/03/2019 14:19

What parts would you change to make it up market?

So you want to take out car parks (for MH to use), take out EHU (for MH), have smaller pitches (for MH only), remove safety spacing and cram more outfits in.

Apart from the MH only agenda, which of those make a site more upmarket?

peedee replied on 06/03/2019 14:22

Posted on 06/03/2019 13:04 by

One thing that puzzles me about this rhetoric that 'the times they are a changing' and that motoromers want nothing more than a patch of hard ground and low fees doesn't quite gel with what I see. I see plenty of motorhomes using the sites. At Southport for the Christmas week the pitch fees are high. Because of location it is popular with motorhomes as well as caravans. There are usually around 8 or so motorhomes on the very large gated car park type area closer to town alongside pleasureland. Price there is from £8 to £10 a night with Waste, water etcplus £3 for 5amp EHU if required. It seems that some want to use that facility and save probably £20 a night at that time of year but many do not. So it does not appeal to all motorhomers as if they were a homogeneous species. 

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Posted on 06/03/2019 14:22

How full was the motorhome park, was there any space available? Apart from the lack of space many motorhome owners, me included, will stay on a full facility site and probably use the EHU if staying for more than just a few nights. That could account for why you see quite a few on Club sites plus the fact there is always a need for the ablutions at some point while on tour.

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