Should the Club put it's foot down?

willbee replied on 13/10/2019 14:38

Posted on 13/10/2019 14:38

It's good that over the last few years the Club has been moving towards being more aware of the needs of our planet and the care of it's environment. Certainly sites like Poolsbrook with eco aware facilities are to be aplauded. The Club rightly should encourage, even expect, it's members to play their part in cutting energy consumption, and think beyond "just me".

Is it then time for the Club to introduce a TOTAL ban on awning heaters on thie sites? No doubt some members will see this as an infringement of their rights. That right being, in this case, to completely ignore the consequences of using energy in what is basically an outdoor space.

And the rest of us can just shut up, stop whinge-ing on, and pay for their electricity wastage in our site fees.

At least some CL owners are aware of this, and have moved to banning awning heaters on their sites.

replied on 14/10/2019 08:31

Posted on 14/10/2019 08:28 by Cornersteady

+1

As always those who use club the least want the greatest changes. Their way is the correct way, those currently happy with the way things are done, and who use club sites rather more, are what? misguided?

And with their proposed changes they probably wouldn't use club sites any more than they do.

 

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Cornersteady replied on 14/10/2019 08:31

Posted on 14/10/2019 08:25 by young thomas

well, Alan, there wont be support here, will there?

folk are used to plugging in and using electric without much thought 'as they've paid for it'...in advance 

but, as you and others have said, metering may not be liked but it does acheive the desired effect, customers think a bit more about their usage and this is the thrust of the OP, keeping costs down.

with vans being filled with ever more electrical gadgets a vanners demand for a food leccy supply goes up, but can we sustain this?

the club even thinks that a day or two at the NEC car park customers 'need' an electric supply, albeit at a vast cost which then translates into £40 a night parking.

 

Posted on 14/10/2019 08:31

it does acheive the desired effect

wow what a statement, how do you know this for everyone, one two people write on here that it does and suddenly you write it does achieve the desired effect

and this is the thrust of the OP, keeping costs down

Really, have you read the OP's post. I though it was about saving resources and the planet nothing about keeping costs down.

 

Cornersteady replied on 14/10/2019 08:32

Posted on 14/10/2019 08:31 by

And with their proposed changes they probably wouldn't use club sites any more than they do

Your right therewink

Posted on 14/10/2019 08:32

thank you David

replied on 14/10/2019 08:38

Posted on 14/10/2019 08:38

the club even thinks that a day or two at the NEC car park customers 'need' an electric supply, albeit at a vast cost which then translates into £40 a night parking.

What a user of such a site wants and what they need may not be the same BB? Many suppliers try and cater for what the majority of customers want in order to attract them or at least to fill available space.

I agree that £40 a night might seem high but I read that there are plenty of takers. I would not be one even if it were free a I have no interest in using such a site. Some obviously do. There are already choices in the modes of camping. I think that some sing the praises of C&CC temporary holiday sites which are great if that is what they want. I don't but I am happy that they are available for those that want them. 

Rufs replied on 14/10/2019 08:52

Posted on 14/10/2019 08:52

Really, have you read the OP's post. I though it was about saving resources and the planet nothing about keeping costs down.

I think the post has a 2 pronged attack

a.it's good that over the last few years the Club has been moving towards being more aware of the needs of our planet and the care of it's environment.

b.And the rest of us can just shut up, stop whinge-ing on, and pay for their electricity wastage in our site fees.

surely b. infers that if we did not waste so much money on electricity by heating our awnings, then site fees might not be so high ?

not an avid reader of the clubs annual report but i am sure i recall somewhere that the cost of providing electricity to sites has increased again and you dont have to be an accountant to work out that this will surely lead to an increase in pitch fees. As much as i dislike meters in my opinion it does focus your mind on how much you use, a site i use in Spain has metered electricity, you get 7 kw per day as part of pitch fee averaged out over your stay, anything over 7kw you pay for, i think this would be an excellent model for the club to adopt, caravans/mh's are now chock full of electrical gadgets even down to beds that are raised and lowered and almost every unit now has a television, i dont have a telly but i do sometimes sit in my awning with a small heater on playing scrabble.laughing   

 

SteveL replied on 14/10/2019 09:13

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:13

We must stay on the wrong sort of sites in France, because we have yet to stay on one where the electricity is metred . Charged for as a separate item yes, metered  no. On this last trip of 17 sites in France, 3 had no power and the rest were either inclusive in the price, all Aires, or an additional charge all standard campsites.

JVB66 replied on 14/10/2019 09:16

Posted on 14/10/2019 08:31 by

And with their proposed changes they probably wouldn't use club sites any more than they do

Your right therewink

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:16

Nice that you are backing the non use of club sites by those that huff and puff about what the club should do ,but would not affect them any wayundecidedwink

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Posted on 14/10/2019 09:13 by SteveL

We must stay on the wrong sort of sites in France, because we have yet to stay on one where the electricity is metred . Charged for as a separate item yes, metered  no. On this last trip of 17 sites in France, 3 had no power and the rest were either inclusive in the price, all Aires, or an additional charge all standard campsites.

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JVB66 replied on 14/10/2019 09:40

Posted on 14/10/2019 07:49 by young thomas

whenever there is a thread which concerns CC change, we get the inevitible 'scary numbers' which refer to the total costs for the whole club network...and, of course, this all sounds like a lot of money....even putting in MHSP or WIFI on every site comes to a large number, despite the actual cost per site being pretty modest.

other sites, some in 'other places', seem to be able to 'afford' to make these improvements but the cry is then that they 'are only doing it for one site'.

however, while the club has expenses across the whole network it also has a healthy income from each of these numerous sites where individually, getting an improvement carried out, each site can manage it as easily as any other single commercial site.

even if the project were costed for the 200 odd sites (even better, cheaper for economies of scale) the coffers are refilled with 200 odd times the income.

yes, the overall numbers are high and its easy to bandy these about to make it sound un-doable, but other sites (including small commercial chains) manage infrastructure and technical improvements to stay in touch with modern vanning thinking/requirements.

its really all down to the desire to do these things. as long as customers are happy paying ever rising fees to cover increased electric costs the club seems little interested.

after all, a few notices in the gents come fairly cheaply.

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:40

"A few notices in the gents" as has been, and for those of us who use club site tend to notice gets even more negative comments  about "the large ammount of notices on site"smile

young thomas replied on 14/10/2019 09:43

Posted on 14/10/2019 08:28 by Cornersteady

+1

As always those who use club the least want the greatest changes. Their way is the correct way, those currently happy with the way things are done, and who use club sites rather more, are what? misguided?

And with their proposed changes they probably wouldn't use club sites any more than they do.

 

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:43

i didnt write the op, but its obvious the thought behind 'banning awaning heaters' is to try and keep overall costs down by removing wasted energy.

after the initial forray of posts, other posters (perhaps with a wider experience of all types of site than yourself) have related their experiences where different approaches (including metering and lower amp supplies) have i fluence their usage....downwards.

drawing on those experiences, wherever they maybe, has little to do with how many club sites one visits, it merely shows that folk are happy to compare those experiences to their own club....and, yes, its as much my/their club as it is yours, im afraid.

i agree the reselling regs dont allow profiteering (a good thing) but its not there to prevent the sensible use/management of resources.

perhaps youre happy to see usage continue to rise (after all you've paid for it) and that any attempt to move towards an overall reduction in club electricity usage is 'impacting your holiday'.

perhaps you'd better ask the warden to take those 'please turn the lights off' notices?wink

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