Should the Club put it's foot down?

willbee replied on 13/10/2019 14:38

Posted on 13/10/2019 14:38

It's good that over the last few years the Club has been moving towards being more aware of the needs of our planet and the care of it's environment. Certainly sites like Poolsbrook with eco aware facilities are to be aplauded. The Club rightly should encourage, even expect, it's members to play their part in cutting energy consumption, and think beyond "just me".

Is it then time for the Club to introduce a TOTAL ban on awning heaters on thie sites? No doubt some members will see this as an infringement of their rights. That right being, in this case, to completely ignore the consequences of using energy in what is basically an outdoor space.

And the rest of us can just shut up, stop whinge-ing on, and pay for their electricity wastage in our site fees.

At least some CL owners are aware of this, and have moved to banning awning heaters on their sites.

Rufs replied on 14/10/2019 09:43

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:33 by

Steve I haven't seen it in France either but it's common in Spain and Germany.

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:43

this is true, have only really motored down thru France to get to Spain, i think you have to recognise also that a lot of sites in Spain cater for long stays over the winter months e.g. 2 - 3 months so by definition they are not touring/holiday sites but peoples homes in the sun for the duration so i think they are managed differently. With this in mind maybe metering in the UK is not required and i guess for those who only holiday in a caravan/mh for maybe 2 months of the year having to pay for electricity would not be an issue, but if we are to avoid ridiculously high pitch fees going forward, something needs to give.

MikeyA replied on 14/10/2019 09:53

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:53

We have been on at least two sites in Spain where we had a daily allowance before paying for any extra usage

We have also used a CL here with a 'coin in the slot meter' which does focus the mind. I can definitely say it reduced our usage and in fact our costs.

young thomas replied on 14/10/2019 09:54

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:54

as mentioned upthread, an amount (say 10%) of pitches on each site being converted to allow the non use/payment of the EHU supply would reduce the overall cost without 'impacting the holiday enjoyment' of those that wanted it.

funnily, i guess those that took up this option would still enjoy their holiday just as much, would help keep overall costs down and be a few quids inwink

JVB66 replied on 14/10/2019 09:56

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:43 by Rufs

this is true, have only really motored down thru France to get to Spain, i think you have to recognise also that a lot of sites in Spain cater for long stays over the winter months e.g. 2 - 3 months so by definition they are not touring/holiday sites but peoples homes in the sun for the duration so i think they are managed differently. With this in mind maybe metering in the UK is not required and i guess for those who only holiday in a caravan/mh for maybe 2 months of the year having to pay for electricity would not be an issue, but if we are to avoid ridiculously high pitch fees going forward, something needs to give.

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:56

With the ever increasing costs on just about anything these days,the installation and costs of maintaining metered EHUs would not at any time soon reduce the cost of pitch fees,even if smart?cards were used for paymentsurprised

MikeyA replied on 14/10/2019 10:14

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:56 by JVB66

With the ever increasing costs on just about anything these days,the installation and costs of maintaining metered EHUs would not at any time soon reduce the cost of pitch fees,even if smart?cards were used for paymentsurprised

Posted on 14/10/2019 10:14

So are you saying there is nothing that can be done by the CAMC to reduce the likelihood of increasing electricity costs whether is that by  amount used or price per unit.

Time to raise the white flag?

eurortraveller replied on 14/10/2019 10:56

Posted on 14/10/2019 10:56

Let's concentrate on good environmental practice.

Provided the Club is buying its electricity from renewable sources (solar, wind and hydro) and supplementing that with solar panels on the ablutions block, the tractor shed and the side of the dog walk, it would seem to be good environmental sense to heat our caravans, motorhomes (and even awnings) that way with electricity instead of the alternative non renewable fossil fuel in a gas bottle.

Clean, green electricity doesn't emit harmful gases and nasty particles into the atmosphere either. So stick to electric heating .

Rufs replied on 14/10/2019 11:00

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:56 by JVB66

With the ever increasing costs on just about anything these days,the installation and costs of maintaining metered EHUs would not at any time soon reduce the cost of pitch fees,even if smart?cards were used for paymentsurprised

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:00

works in Spain, at any time you can go to reception and they will give you a print out of exactly how much power you have used thus far and then when you check out you pay if you are over the specified limit, all computerised, pitch fees in the region of €14 per night including use of swimming pool, cant be many sites in the UK giving such good value for money, yes there would be an initial investment but the EHU etc is already in situ only involves adding a computer link and some software, not rocket science, and with the advent of EV's plugging into EHU's something needs to be done and quickly. 

moulesy replied on 14/10/2019 11:01

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:53 by MikeyA

We have been on at least two sites in Spain where we had a daily allowance before paying for any extra usage

We have also used a CL here with a 'coin in the slot meter' which does focus the mind. I can definitely say it reduced our usage and in fact our costs.

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:01

Surely that second sentence is an admission that, without metering,  you would use electricity profligately? I'm not convinced by this argument that having to pay separately for electricity would have much effect on most users. We would probably benefit - we use little in the way of heating, cook mostly on gas and have never heated an awning. A little self restraint is all that's needed.

I have agreed in the past, though, that having some pitches with the option of non EHU would be helpful for those who can do without.

Takethedogalong replied on 14/10/2019 11:02

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:02

Ask any CL owner just how profligate members are with electrical usage in Winter, and you soon realise just how much impact this has on pricing. If it affects small sites, it will be the same on large sites.

We were members long before hook ups were standard on all sites and in all areas of sites. Hence we have first hand knowledge of some of the impact of increased electrical usage. It’s progress, makes touring life so much easier and nicer, and nowadays outfits are designed primarily with hook up usage as the norm. But some folks seem to have no idea of the impact that usage can have, both in terms of pricing, and environmental issues directly and indirectly. 

You cannot equate setting up a single site v a Club Site because of the variables. What the Club might gain in negotiating electrical costs is probably negated by other costs elsewhere, not least all the requirements at EG. A private site won’t have these. It’s also fairly reasonable to assume that certain sites offset other sites in terms of income support, but only the Club will know what the targets are for each.

If you restrict something (in this case electrical consumption via the bollard) you can control costs. But individuals can choose how to use their restricted allowance. Some will want to cook with it, some will want to be entertained, some will want to keep warm. All perfectly do-able, just not all at the same time. It’s the underlying principle of a Smart Meter and those thermostatic valves on radiators. The flaw is that they rely upon us using them, turning down or off rooms not in use. Some do, some don’t. Fine if you can afford to pay the bills, but becoming less acceptable from a climate legacy point of view. Think of the grandchildren............

Rufs replied on 14/10/2019 11:03

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:03

Provided the Club is buying its electricity from renewable sources (solar, wind and hydro) and supplementing that with solar panels on the ablutions block, the tractor shed and the side of the dog walk,

dont use club sites much but have not seen any evidence of this ?

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