Should the Club put it's foot down?

willbee replied on 13/10/2019 14:38

Posted on 13/10/2019 14:38

It's good that over the last few years the Club has been moving towards being more aware of the needs of our planet and the care of it's environment. Certainly sites like Poolsbrook with eco aware facilities are to be aplauded. The Club rightly should encourage, even expect, it's members to play their part in cutting energy consumption, and think beyond "just me".

Is it then time for the Club to introduce a TOTAL ban on awning heaters on thie sites? No doubt some members will see this as an infringement of their rights. That right being, in this case, to completely ignore the consequences of using energy in what is basically an outdoor space.

And the rest of us can just shut up, stop whinge-ing on, and pay for their electricity wastage in our site fees.

At least some CL owners are aware of this, and have moved to banning awning heaters on their sites.

MikeyA replied on 14/10/2019 11:14

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:14

The Club do seem to waste a lot of electricity with the widespread lighting of sites when we are all asleep. If you prefer to go to the toilet block in the middle of the night then use a torch!

Takethedogalong replied on 14/10/2019 11:16

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:16

The Club doesn’t build/design sites primarily from new, tends to take on sites already there. So putting in solar/wind/ ground source will involve higher costs than designing in from new. If housing companies building today’s dog kennels aren’t required to commit to such principles, I doubt the Club will lead.

It’s a business as well, wanting to supply a commodity to its fan club at a price the fans will tolerate. This again might impact on any electrical supply deal. I suspect if the membership was asked to vote on cheaper electricity v environmentally responsible electricity the vote would be live now and sod the environment! (You have to be careful of votes, what you think might happen isn’t sometimes what you get🤷‍♀️)

Takethedogalong replied on 14/10/2019 11:39

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:14 by MikeyA

The Club do seem to waste a lot of electricity with the widespread lighting of sites when we are all asleep. If you prefer to go to the toilet block in the middle of the night then use a torch!

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:39

The Club has a duty of care. Someone tripping in the dark is highly likely given the locations of some sites and the user demography, it’s the lesser of two weevils. 

(Off topic, but interesting....we are huge fans of Bolton Abbey. Now closes much earlier than it used to in year. Not getting the usage required, but interestingly, icy paths, potential (or actual) claims cited?)

Cornersteady replied on 14/10/2019 11:40

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:40

perhaps youre happy to see usage continue to rise (after all you've paid for it) 

I am neither happy nor unhappy, it simply happens, the club sets its prices and I'll pay it. Do you worry when staying a hotel that its usage continues to rise?

I really can't see any connection at all between see usage continue to rise and I've paid for it, a bit nonsensical really.

... that any attempt to move towards an overall reduction in club electricity usage is 'impacting your holiday'

Again no connection at all. 

replied on 14/10/2019 12:04

Posted on 14/10/2019 12:04

I have agreed in the past, though, that having some pitches with the option of non EHU would be helpful for those who can do without.

And B all use to those that want EHU. 

Rufs replied on 14/10/2019 12:11

Posted on 14/10/2019 12:04 by

I have agreed in the past, though, that having some pitches with the option of non EHU would be helpful for those who can do without.

And B all use to those that want EHU. 

Posted on 14/10/2019 12:11

but if all pitches had EHU fitted with metering it would then be your choice as to whether you used electricity or not, and how much, to my mind a much more sensible option

brue replied on 14/10/2019 12:13

Posted on 14/10/2019 11:39 by Takethedogalong

The Club has a duty of care. Someone tripping in the dark is highly likely given the locations of some sites and the user demography, it’s the lesser of two weevils. 

(Off topic, but interesting....we are huge fans of Bolton Abbey. Now closes much earlier than it used to in year. Not getting the usage required, but interestingly, icy paths, potential (or actual) claims cited?)

Posted on 14/10/2019 12:13

Considering somewhere like Steamer Quay where there is no EHU. The facility block has outside lighting but that's all. Tripping up in the dark could happen anywhere, we have villages round here with no street lighting.. the reminder is always take a torch and use common sense. 

I presume the club has moved over to low cost lighting, but that might be an assumption.

On another note. Reading the OP I do wonder how many actually heat awnings (what percentage of site users.) I wouldn't know who was using a heater in their awning so how do we assume they are?

replied on 14/10/2019 12:27

Posted on 14/10/2019 12:11 by Rufs

but if all pitches had EHU fitted with metering it would then be your choice as to whether you used electricity or not, and how much, to my mind a much more sensible option

Posted on 14/10/2019 12:27

I don't disagree but whether somebody used electric or not they would still be charged with the infrastructure and maintenance costs etc. Indeed it should make no difference to the CC whether electric was used or not. 

I simply prefer not to faff with seperate payments others, particularly those with decent solar might have a different point of view and particularly in summer. 

When the CC started including electric in with pitch cost I installed electric to make use of it and the extra convenience that it presented then ..... and still does. 

It might impact on wardens hours etc depending on the system used and would increase pitch fees (before electric)

young thomas replied on 14/10/2019 12:39

Posted on 14/10/2019 12:39

we all 'simply prefer not to faff' , but the world is changing and theres likely to be a lot more faffing ahead of us all.

reducing power demand and associated cost is something we will have to do at some point....i thought the club has a 'view' to keeping electricity usage down (werent overall cost rises cited as 20+ % recently?) yet they dont seem to want to join the debate.

faffing or not, when using electric abroad i dont mind the process as its well managed and causes no inconvenience due to simple modern technology.....oh and an office thats there to serve customers, not clean the toilets.

Oneputt replied on 14/10/2019 12:44

Posted on 14/10/2019 10:56 by eurortraveller

Let's concentrate on good environmental practice.

Provided the Club is buying its electricity from renewable sources (solar, wind and hydro) and supplementing that with solar panels on the ablutions block, the tractor shed and the side of the dog walk, it would seem to be good environmental sense to heat our caravans, motorhomes (and even awnings) that way with electricity instead of the alternative non renewable fossil fuel in a gas bottle.

Clean, green electricity doesn't emit harmful gases and nasty particles into the atmosphere either. So stick to electric heating .

Posted on 14/10/2019 12:44

My home electricity is purchased from Bulb who claim they only supply electric from renewables.  When you check further the statement to a point true. Then when it gets on to the grid it is mixed with coal/gas/nuclear fired power sources so what I receive in my house may or maybe not green and clean

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