Safefill 10Kg

HillClimb replied on 07/04/2016 12:28

Posted on 07/04/2016 12:28

New to caravaning, we've not even got our caravan yet - it is on on order from Elddis. So we've been doing a lot of research, there is a lot of data out there on the internet but I was struggling to find out what size of gas bottles would fit in to the gas locker of our van (which we haven't got yet).

So after a trip to the (not so local) Caravan Accessory shop at Webbs in Reading - (they were brilliant - so... helpful) . They helped by allowing me to take one of their 10kg Safefill bottles over to a Elddis 55x Caravan display model - that has the same structure/footprint as ours. So I can confirm that a 10kg Safefill cylinder will fit in to the gas locker of a Elddis 55x.  (And being refillable then I just need the one cylinder).

Doubtless everyone has there own preferances on Calorlite vs BP GasLight vs Safefill etc etc. For me, I was persuaded by the quantity of LPG fill suppliers listed and the cost-of-ownership. For ease of maths, I simply calculated what the total spend would be  once 30kg of gas has been consumed (initial rental + swaps for 2 cyclinder for BP or Calor)

30kg of Gas:

BPGaslight £238 (two initial rentals + 4 swaps) - (however you can get a refund if your no longer need the cylinders, so reducing the cost of ownership to reflect their residual value then 30kg would cost £213).

Calorlite £172 (two initial rentals + 3 swaps - I assume Calorlite's can also be refunded - but couldn't find how much?)

Purchase of a Single 10kg Safefill cylinder + 30kg of gas = £177

Redoing the math for 60kg; then Gaslight £375; Calorlite £310; Safefill £194

I pondered the 2 Rental Cylinders; 1 runs out; swap to the spare and exchange the empty (at our leisure (i.e. non urgent)) scenario - but a fair comparison for Safefill is: top-up the part full 10kg Safefill before departing; occasionaly check the gauge or look at the visible level and take it for another refill before it runs out (when we happen to be passing somewhere that does LPG refills). 

Hope this info helps others in their research/decision making

Metheven replied on 03/10/2017 22:31

Posted on 03/10/2017 22:31

For anybody buying conventional cylinders then Gaslight is by far the superior product provided you are near to a stockist such as Homebase. They are transparent so you can see the level, are lighter that Calor, have great grab handles and use a clip on connector.

Doesn't even have to be Homebase, most Hire shops have a gas compound. My local in the next town supplied my initial 10kg bottle and gas, I just swap it in for another when empty and it's cheaper than Homebase.

Fysherman replied on 04/10/2017 10:27

Posted on 04/10/2017 10:27

Indeed, they are far superior to the old fashioned Calor types.

The Gaslight cylinders are exactly the same as a Safefill but without the refilling bits. Even made by the same company. Again, they are the same as the French "Calypso" cylinders and one or two others I cannot recall the names of.

A well established product you might say.

ocsid replied on 04/10/2017 11:27

Posted on 04/10/2017 11:27

Morrisons stance could so simply be based on it not being reasonable for forecourt staff to have the expertise to know who are using appropriately designed bottles and who are using the direct fill adaptor on exchange bottles.

Even if they were trained do they want the hassle of breaking their primary cashier role to go and look at what kit you have, given the minimal sales volumes for our use?

Sadly, I feel it is the inevitable outcome from the use of unprotected filling practices and those using clandestine and dangerous practices of filling within the vehicle like as advocated here in the past, sneaking a refill by filling through a window.

Fysherman replied on 04/10/2017 11:34

Posted on 04/10/2017 11:34

It would be nice if the club lobbied Morrisons on behalf of members who are disadvantaged and inconvenienced by their stance. I am aware it's unlikely to happen.

Still would like to see a proper response from Morrisons after the recent changes to the Red Book forecourt guide.

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Merve replied on 06/10/2017 19:35

Posted on 04/10/2017 11:27 by ocsid

Morrisons stance could so simply be based on it not being reasonable for forecourt staff to have the expertise to know who are using appropriately designed bottles and who are using the direct fill adaptor on exchange bottles.

Even if they were trained do they want the hassle of breaking their primary cashier role to go and look at what kit you have, given the minimal sales volumes for our use?

Sadly, I feel it is the inevitable outcome from the use of unprotected filling practices and those using clandestine and dangerous practices of filling within the vehicle like as advocated here in the past, sneaking a refill by filling through a window.

Posted on 06/10/2017 19:35

Ocsid, you still can’t quite let it rest can you? What is the problem with turning the pump off until you have proved your equipmentis complicit with the law by bringing it to the cash desk?? Cameras and loud speakers on garage forecourts are not there as decoration. It is not beyond the wit of garages to put up signs and comply fully with safety standards. A car is obvious. A cylinder is not although I have to say that all of us would recognise a rental cylinder at a glance so it’s not beyond a thought that garage staff could do that to. It’s just about training.  It’s the blanket ban on refilling cylinders that is the danger here. Not the methods used to fill a perfectly safe cylinder. I would however be the first one to stand alongside you to denounce the filling of rental cylinders which is totally criminal and dangerous. This practice has to be stamped out, and correctly constructed, safe to fill refillable cylinders can play their part in getting rid of this practice. For what it’s worth, I believe Morrisons will be the first supermarket to adopt the Safefill cylinder. 

Merve replied on 06/10/2017 19:39

Posted on 04/10/2017 11:34 by Fysherman

It would be nice if the club lobbied Morrisons on behalf of members who are disadvantaged and inconvenienced by their stance. I am aware it's unlikely to happen.

Still would like to see a proper response from Morrisons after the recent changes to the Red Book forecourt guide.

.

Posted on 06/10/2017 19:39

Hi Fysh, the club won’t do that for one very simple reason. They sell Calor. They make money out of it and that’s what the club is interested in - money- not helping a section of ‘customers ‘ who will not add to their profits.  However, every single person who owns a Safefill should be writing to Customer Services at Morrisons as I have done and I got a very positive response. Certainly one that gave me hope.  Get those emails off now- it will happen, I’m sure. 

replied on 06/10/2017 19:49

Posted on 06/10/2017 19:35 by Merve

Ocsid, you still can’t quite let it rest can you? What is the problem with turning the pump off until you have proved your equipmentis complicit with the law by bringing it to the cash desk?? Cameras and loud speakers on garage forecourts are not there as decoration. It is not beyond the wit of garages to put up signs and comply fully with safety standards. A car is obvious. A cylinder is not although I have to say that all of us would recognise a rental cylinder at a glance so it’s not beyond a thought that garage staff could do that to. It’s just about training.  It’s the blanket ban on refilling cylinders that is the danger here. Not the methods used to fill a perfectly safe cylinder. I would however be the first one to stand alongside you to denounce the filling of rental cylinders which is totally criminal and dangerous. This practice has to be stamped out, and correctly constructed, safe to fill refillable cylinders can play their part in getting rid of this practice. For what it’s worth, I believe Morrisons will be the first supermarket to adopt the Safefill cylinder. 

Posted on 06/10/2017 19:49

Don't take it out on Ocsid Merve. My thoughts are similar in that if I employed a cashier why would I put the burden of deciding if a particular bottle was safe when the income was trivial? 

JVB66 replied on 06/10/2017 19:55

Posted on 06/10/2017 19:39 by Merve

Hi Fysh, the club won’t do that for one very simple reason. They sell Calor. They make money out of it and that’s what the club is interested in - money- not helping a section of ‘customers ‘ who will not add to their profits.  However, every single person who owns a Safefill should be writing to Customer Services at Morrisons as I have done and I got a very positive response. Certainly one that gave me hope.  Get those emails off now- it will happen, I’m sure. 

Posted on 06/10/2017 19:55

The cc do not sell calor gas on siteswink they may have a contract wth calor to keep the on site bulk tanks topped up

Merve replied on 10/10/2017 20:39

Posted on 06/10/2017 19:49 by

Don't take it out on Ocsid Merve. My thoughts are similar in that if I employed a cashier why would I put the burden of deciding if a particular bottle was safe when the income was trivial? 

Posted on 10/10/2017 20:39

Sorry Easy , I don’t want to come across as taking it out of anyone - that certainly isn’t my intention but this conversation has been dragging on for months- actually, probably years. The fact is that Safefill is here to stay and more and more caravanners, campers and boaters are buying them. It would be a bad business move in my eyes not to train a cashier. It’s not rocket science after all. There are few gas powered cars now. Keep the pump switched off until someone wants to use it. If it’s a car, fine- if it’s a cylinder- a Safefill is so different to a rental cylinder in looks.  All they have to do is prove it’s a Safefill. After a few weeks, the S/Stn staff would be very proficient at differentiating between a Safefill and a rental cylinder. The more people presenti them for filling the quicker this will take place. It may be small beer on one fill of a cylinder but many cylinders add up. 

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