Safefill 10Kg

HillClimb replied on 07/04/2016 12:28

Posted on 07/04/2016 12:28

New to caravaning, we've not even got our caravan yet - it is on on order from Elddis. So we've been doing a lot of research, there is a lot of data out there on the internet but I was struggling to find out what size of gas bottles would fit in to the gas locker of our van (which we haven't got yet).

So after a trip to the (not so local) Caravan Accessory shop at Webbs in Reading - (they were brilliant - so... helpful) . They helped by allowing me to take one of their 10kg Safefill bottles over to a Elddis 55x Caravan display model - that has the same structure/footprint as ours. So I can confirm that a 10kg Safefill cylinder will fit in to the gas locker of a Elddis 55x.  (And being refillable then I just need the one cylinder).

Doubtless everyone has there own preferances on Calorlite vs BP GasLight vs Safefill etc etc. For me, I was persuaded by the quantity of LPG fill suppliers listed and the cost-of-ownership. For ease of maths, I simply calculated what the total spend would be  once 30kg of gas has been consumed (initial rental + swaps for 2 cyclinder for BP or Calor)

30kg of Gas:

BPGaslight £238 (two initial rentals + 4 swaps) - (however you can get a refund if your no longer need the cylinders, so reducing the cost of ownership to reflect their residual value then 30kg would cost £213).

Calorlite £172 (two initial rentals + 3 swaps - I assume Calorlite's can also be refunded - but couldn't find how much?)

Purchase of a Single 10kg Safefill cylinder + 30kg of gas = £177

Redoing the math for 60kg; then Gaslight £375; Calorlite £310; Safefill £194

I pondered the 2 Rental Cylinders; 1 runs out; swap to the spare and exchange the empty (at our leisure (i.e. non urgent)) scenario - but a fair comparison for Safefill is: top-up the part full 10kg Safefill before departing; occasionaly check the gauge or look at the visible level and take it for another refill before it runs out (when we happen to be passing somewhere that does LPG refills). 

Hope this info helps others in their research/decision making

Merve replied on 10/10/2017 20:44

Posted on 06/10/2017 19:55 by JVB66

The cc do not sell calor gas on siteswink they may have a contract wth calor to keep the on site bulk tanks topped up

Posted on 10/10/2017 20:44

I could swear I have seen cages of Calor cylinders on  the three sites I have visited over the past 25 yrs! So you have to leave the site and look elsewhere for an exchange cylinder? Not very convenient that! 

Merve replied on 10/10/2017 20:50

Posted on 10/10/2017 20:50

Hillclimb, good post proving that once you have bought your cylinder and assuming that you use enough gas to justify the purchase, Safefill is massively cheaper and the more you use it, the cheaper it is. 

replied on 10/10/2017 21:23

Posted on 06/10/2017 19:39 by Merve

Hi Fysh, the club won’t do that for one very simple reason. They sell Calor. They make money out of it and that’s what the club is interested in - money- not helping a section of ‘customers ‘ who will not add to their profits.  However, every single person who owns a Safefill should be writing to Customer Services at Morrisons as I have done and I got a very positive response. Certainly one that gave me hope.  Get those emails off now- it will happen, I’m sure. 

Posted on 10/10/2017 21:23

As far as I am aware it is the wardens that sell the gas. On the other hand most users of CC sites use EHU and why would they want refllables in general?

ocsid replied on 11/10/2017 07:31

Posted on 10/10/2017 21:23 by

As far as I am aware it is the wardens that sell the gas. On the other hand most users of CC sites use EHU and why would they want refllables in general?

Posted on 11/10/2017 07:31

I am sure you are technically right that the wardens "sell" Calor, but it must be a moot point in that surely the club provide all the storage infrastructure, most likely the insurance and own the land and I have never seen other brands on offer?

Re take up of refillables it is hard to visulise many who take EHU routinely or exclusively on club or any sites are into this market, so IMO the numbers needing LPG dispensing must be quite small?

I can see the drift to MHs and their seeming attraction to use anything but campsites will grow the leisure take up of LPG fuel pumps so that might help preserve LPG facilities in the face of declining automotive use. Many of these I suspect though will be fixed or semi fixed systems as they need to go to the pumps to transport the storage vessel anyway, therefore that does not really help the portable market. Sadly though I feel the leisure market take up is too small to replicate the loss of the automotive use to an extent not large enough to support the whole costings of having LPG on forecourts. Here locally they are already disappearing.

Merve, don't fly off in a tisy  I am not at all negative about Safefill, just being realistic and putting counter arguments into the "discussion", after all that is what this forum is about. For us massive users of gas one would be brilliant if it could be reliably filled locally.

JVB66 replied on 18/05/2019 15:21

Posted on 18/05/2019 15:21

Just had to exchange our calor lite 6kg it has only lasted 2yrs and 5month with about 160/170 ñights per year away and it is now £27.50 surprised 

cyberyacht replied on 18/05/2019 16:52

Posted on 18/05/2019 16:52

I don't want to upset you but I topped up my Safefill with 6Kg on the way back from my last trip for £7.36, so a saving of £20.

ocsid replied on 18/05/2019 17:23

Posted on 18/05/2019 16:52 by cyberyacht

I don't want to upset you but I topped up my Safefill with 6Kg on the way back from my last trip for £7.36, so a saving of £20.

Posted on 18/05/2019 17:23

I doubt he will feel too cheated if he does his sums on the write off costs of him changing to a Safefill, where he uses, six kgs of propane in two and a half years.

Thats  in the Safefill's life of ten years,  10/ 2.42 x 6 = 24.8 kgs of propane; So the useful life of the Safefill here is 2.5 fillings.

With say a purchase cost of £180, that is £72 amortisation cost per refill, then the £12 for the 10 kgs gas per refill, circa £82 a refill.

I think that makes even Calor's awfully high prices look "cheap"? ;-)

replied on 18/05/2019 17:29

Posted on 18/05/2019 17:23 by ocsid

I doubt he will too cheated if he does his sums on the write off costs of him changing to a Safefill, where he uses, six kgs of propane in two and a half years.

Thats  in the Safefill's life of ten years,  10/ 2.42 x 6 = 24.8 kgs of propane; So the useful life of the Safefill here is 2.5 fillings.

With say a purchase cost of £180, that is £72 amortisation cost per refill, then the £7.36 for the gas per refill, cica £80 a refill.

I think that makes even Calor's awfully high prices look "cheap"? ;-)

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replied on 18/05/2019 17:48

Posted on 18/05/2019 17:48

Maybe more often suitable for MHs that travel off site on days out and wish to keep fridge cool? For anybody like me using max 6 kg of gas for my 120 nights or so a year a waste of effort

DavidKlyne replied on 18/05/2019 17:58

Posted on 18/05/2019 15:21 by JVB66

Just had to exchange our calor lite 6kg it has only lasted 2yrs and 5month with about 160/170 ñights per year away and it is now £27.50 surprised 

Posted on 18/05/2019 17:58

JVB

It's people like you that has caused Calor to abandon plans for a new light weight cylinder replacement for the Calor Litewink

 

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