How much do you pay for your gas ?

I will be writing to the club asking them to justify their objection to Safefill.

At the moment the club's technical department is at odds with the specification of a Safefill. It's in members interests for them to provide accurate advice. I am not happy with their current stance at all. 

Safefill themselves must create more fuss but I wonder if they have the resources to do this effectively. 

Thanks BB you fill in the gaps that I leave but think about! Yes, my fridge is just as cold, this iPad works just as well even if it has been charged using free electricity! The shower is still as luxurious and the radio and television are still as bad as they ever were! LOL.  Fysh. I think the progress of this is frustrating to the folk who have walked the path to freedom from high charges! The CC and Calor have a right to run their businesses the way they see fit and make profit where they can ( if they can get away with it) However, how many businesses have disappeared over the centuries because new ideas arrived and the old ways were dropped? Thousands! How much Snuff gets sold now? Old lightbulbs- fast disappearing! Even the giant tobacco industry has has to seriously cut its cloth due to new ideas. The new tech has, as we know, brought a fantastic opportunity for change but most are stuck still in the old ways - having unlimited power no matter what the cost both personally and to the planet. Of course Calor and the CC are inextricably linked as the status quo has been maintained for so long but now it's feeling pressure- that impacts on profit- that's the problem. The CC could make so much capital out of showing the Gt British public that they are for sustainable energy and progress. Calor won't go bust- they'll just have to steer in a slightly different direction . SAFEFILL and GAS LOW will become the standard go to cylinders in years to come- you can't stop progress no matter how hard you try and Calor and Co have tried vey hard and failed!

The argument still stands though the cost of installing solar, inverters, fillable gas system is high compared to the saving for most people.  When we had a caravan we used maybe half a cylinder a year as we were nearly always on EHU so the cost of a solar panel £500, gaslow £300 and an inverter £300 (all rought figures) is a big layout to save £20 a year!!

However on the MH we do have a SP, gaslow (no inverter but have 2 USB sockets) and a second batery allows us to either not plug in for a night or 2 or go on non EHU sites, but so far we have had around 30 nights away and not used half a cylinder yet so it still is going to take a long time to recoup the money but does allow us more freedom, but as I stated before why would a garage have an LPG pump for me to pop in for £7 of gas?

The mai reason for the SP ws to keep the batteries including engine battery topped up in addition to the extra freedom.

I can understand stations not allowing people to fill safefill if they turn up with just a cylinder but not if it has a filler nozzle due to their ignorance of the product.  Filling stations in Essex are feew and far between so ahving to travel 40 miles to get to one may be offputting.  Unril LPG cars take off I do not see the situation improviong however much Merve tries to recoup the cost of the shares he obviusly has in safefill

the two 'main' reasons for an idividual installing refillable gas (and SP) are the ability to stay on sites where there is a real saving each night (and more choice) but also to be able to holiday for long periods abroad without the concern around changing cylinders where you cant swap Calor...ie convenience.

however, as Michael says, the convenience for a few might not convince that a filling point is worth the expense....this might be the longer term issue...

as it currently stands, there are plenty of 'gaslow friendly' sites but not so many 'safefil-friendly' ones, due to gaslow having a separate filler point...

getting the word out that refillables are 'on the up' os still a tough nut to crack, i fear....

I would imagine that the biggest bonus is the certainty of not running out of gas whilst on an extended trip abroad. Those with calor bottles running on the smell as they work their way back to the ferry must wonder if they will get a brew or hot vittles before Dover.

Equally, I can understand those who do not leave these shores pondering the economic benefit if they are not generally given to venturing into the boondocks.

The argument still stands though the cost of installing solar, inverters, fillable gas system is high compared to the saving for most people.  When we had a caravan we used maybe half a cylinder a year as we were nearly always on EHU so the cost of a solar panel £500, gaslow £300 and an inverter £300 (all rought figures) is a big layout to save £20 a year!!

However on the MH we do have a SP, gaslow (no inverter but have 2 USB sockets) and a second batery allows us to either not plug in for a night or 2 or go on non EHU sites, but so far we have had around 30 nights away and not used half a cylinder yet so it still is going to take a long time to recoup the money but does allow us more freedom, but as I stated before why would a garage have an LPG pump for me to pop in for £7 of gas?

The mai reason for the SP ws to keep the batteries including engine battery topped up in addition to the extra freedom.

I can understand stations not allowing people to fill safefill if they turn up with just a cylinder but not if it has a filler nozzle due to their ignorance of the product.  Filling stations in Essex are feew and far between so ahving to travel 40 miles to get to one may be offputting.  Unril LPG cars take off I do not see the situation improviong however much Merve tries to recoup the cost of the shares he obviusly has in safefill

Micheal, A totally incorrect and uninformed comment! I do hope it was a tongue in cheek comment- I suspect it was!  I have no financial interest and never have had any financial interest in Safefill so I would like you to withdraw that statement. My only interest is to inform the readers of this blog as to how good they are. That in itself will ensure a healthy future for LPG pumps as I have said before, Safefill and Gaslow are expanding ensuring continuous service.

To challenge you on your point, and which BB addresses, you seem to be falling in to the same old trap. You don't get it and you probably won't. This all depends on how much caravanning you do of course and if you go away a couple of fortnights or so a year then I agree with you. The point we are making is that you are not taking into account the money you are paying out each and every day which will be between as a conservative estimate, £8 to £10 each and every day-  and that is just so that you can take probably something like 20p to 25p's worth of electricity. Now, I accept that there is a cost to installing a system and your figures, whilst not totally correct, are near enough for us to have a debate. 3 1/2 years ago I looked at installing a system as I had worked out that not only would I be released from charges I didn't need but also it would allow me to be free from the drudgery of an EHU point.  I worked out that I could recoup my costs within two years and I was correct, in fact it was slightly less. I am now able to caravan at between £4 and £7 a night- not £13 - £18. And boy, some of these nonEHU sites are stunning. 

 As for the kit I have fitted is concerned, it can be removed from my van and put on any new van I get which will cost me nothing. And SP has a useful life of 20 years, a battery about 10 years  give or take, and an inverter, well, choose your figure! My savings after 20 years caravanning will be astronomical and the effort of installing this system will have been well worthwhile. It already is!

 However, if I were looking for investment.......... 

 

To challenge you on your point, and which BB addresses, you seem to be falling in to the same old trap. You don't get it and you probably won't. This all depends on how much caravanning you do of course and if you go away a couple of fortnights or so a year then I agree with you. The point we are making is that you are not taking into account the money you are paying out each and every day which will be between as a conservative estimate, £8 to £10 each and every day-  and that is just so that you can take probably something like 20p to 25p's worth of electricity. Now, I accept that there is a cost to installing a system and your figures, whilst not totally correct, are near enough for us to have a debate. 3 1/2 years ago I looked at installing a system as I had worked out that not only would I be released from charges I didn't need but also it would allow me to be free from the drudgery of an EHU point.  I worked out that I could recoup my costs within two years and I was correct, in fact it was slightly less. I am now able to caravan at between £4 and £7 a night- not £13 - £18. And boy, some of these nonEHU sites are stunning. 

 As for the kit I have fitted is concerned, it can be removed from my van and put on any new van I get which will cost me nothing. And SP has a useful life of 20 years, a battery about 10 years  give or take, and an inverter, well, choose your figure! My savings after 20 years caravanning will be astronomical and the effort of installing this system will have been well worthwhile. It already is!

 However, if I were looking for investment.......... 

Write your comments here...Nightly savings is nil on most CC sites as they dont offer non EHU pitches apart from a  few economy pitches.  Same for most commercial sites I have seen, the C&CC do I think offer non EHU pitches but due to their booking service and poor quality sites we have now let our membership lapse.  For the £7 a night sites I assume you are talking CL's which we use but (£10 is least we have paid, most are £12-£15) like to mix and match and if possible have some facilities so we will never recoup the cost I doubt.  For those who want to "hair shirt" camp then I am sure it would be worth it and like you say 2-3 years of sitting in farmers fields with a  tap and elsan point you can easily recoup your outlay.  For ourselves and I think a lot of folks then thats not how we like to get away, but we dont worry with EHU for 1 night even if its included though that may change in winter as I am not sure how much electric the fan will use on the heater yet until we are confident.

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£2.70 to fill my gas Gaslow 2.7kg bottle these fit the VW t4 Topaz and t5 nice size easyer than Calor bottles to fit inside gas store. Recommend these as when setting out I fill my fuel at the same time fill the gas that way you alway know how much gas you have I also think lpg is hotter? Cooks faster 

£2.70 to fill my gas Gaslow 2.7kg bottle these fit the VW t4 Topaz and t5 nice size easyer than Calor bottles to fit inside gas store. Recommend these as when setting out I fill my fuel at the same time fill the gas that way you alway know how much gas you have I also think lpg is hotter? Cooks faster 

Write your comments here...I agree LPG does seem to be hotter and cook better. When I used calor in my old van the flame never seemed totaly blue but when I switched to safefill got a lovely blue flame.( van was serviced every year by the way)