How much do you pay for your gas ?

Keanergas, Safefill cylinders are "as it says on the can"....safe to fill on garage forecourts. The illegal filling of cylinders other than Safefill, Gaslow etc is highly dangerous and if spotted should be reported to the forecourt immediately, the offender should be prosecuted, after all they are, by their sellfish idiotic actions, putting everybody's safety at risk....

Merve, adapters are available and some filing setups have two filling heads, it's not rocket science to fill an ordinary LH BSP valve, the operator of the filling knows the difference some don't care all they care about is selling the LPG and makinga profit

iPad malfunction before I had finnished sorry,                      What inspectors, weights and measures only interested about what comes out of the filling head is whats on the metre, Mostly falls between the HSE or in most cases the local council depts. Policing the LPG industry is very much left to the industry itself to find   And try to stop.

Merve, adapters are available and some filing setups have two filling heads, it's not rocket science to fill an ordinary LH BSP valve, the operator of the filling knows the difference some don't care all they care about is selling the LPG and makinga profit

Write your comments here...Im sure you're correct but that is where good practice comes in- shut them down AND prosecute the idiot filling the cylinder! Not many will risk losing their livelihood if they know the consequence! I can see the day coming when garages actively encourage Safefill and Gaslow By displaying large notices, banners etc. I was on the IOW 4 weeks ago and took my SF cylinder to a filling point. The cashier rushed out and told me they didn't fill cylinders. I said ' you do these- I've already spoken to your boss and have been told that there is no problem as these cylinders are made to be refilled.' When she realised that this cylinder was completely different to anything she had seen before as I took the trouble to show her and explain, she was blown away by it and just kept saying" that's fantastic- I've never seen anything like it- that's fantastic etc etc. I told her that's because she hadn't seen anything like it before but that she would be seeing many more in the future. It's up to all of us to help get the message out! Sod Calor and Co- they have had their day- it's time now for a new method of getting gas - cheaper, lighter and more convenient. Let's do it!!

Fisherman you can go back (May 2016) to a discussion about Safefill on which I did put on a reply I received from The Caravan Club when I asked about using Safefill. 

The discussion is here

Thanks for the link.

Safefill clearly have a serious problem and what should be a natural ally, (the Caravan Club) appears to be unwilling to support the use of stand alone cylinders. I would like them to reconsider their position in recognition of the Safefill product.

I also agree with Kaenergas, Calor and the other bottle suppliers will be (currently) unconcerned about lost market share as the refillable market is still in it's infancy. Of course if they can kill it off now, they will, that's business.

Safefill market a superb product (I have one) but I doubt they have the resources to challenge the organisations they need to challenge. 

Not really sure where they go from here.

At the moment Fysh, I agree with you regarding an apparent reluctance to back stand alone cylinders. Last week, I again contacted the editorial dept of the Caravan Club after emailing Gary Martin earlier in the year- 6 or 7 months ago. In the very  recent past, and some of you may well remember, whenever the Club refer to non EHU caravanning, on both recent inserts it was referred to as "back to basics" which I have to say does not help the caravanning public make an educated choice. For instance, the use of the word 'back' implies very forcibly that the non EHUer has retreated from modern life which couldn't be further from the truth as it is he that is embracing all the latest in modern technology! Again, the use of the word "basics" implies lighting by gas mantle water that is heated on a kelly kettle and heating supplied by wrapping a blanket around oneself!! One article even had a picture of an old enamel bucket, and 'old' stuff inside a classic caravan!!  There was a description of what was availilable but no in depth information. I have invited the CC to visit me on site and really get down to informing the caravanning public of what awaits them if they are thinking about going off grid. SPs inverters, Safefill supplying the gas, LED lighting etc. To suggest that it is a backward step to go off grid is in my opinion at best ill informed and at worst a deception. I await a result. The CC has spent many thousands on EHU pitches and is sponsored by Calor so things are a bit 'sticky'' for them but the truth has to be told and the correct information fed to the public. For instance, it's amazing how many people have never heard of Safefill for instance and SPs are a black art! Inverters? - don't even go there!! - Gary, I look forward to a full and very informative article on  non EHU 'vanning in the near future.

How do cars that are converted to run on Autogas get on? There is obviously no problem at filling stations with them. Do they also have an 80% cut-off built into the system?

The one thing I will say Fysh is that Safefill are working extremely hard to make that challenge. Against all the odds, they are succeeding and should be praised for their energy and tenacity. I am convinced that things will turn around for them in the near future. This product is just too good for Calor and Co to kill off- the cream always floats to the top!!

How do cars that are converted to run on Autogas get on? There is obviously no problem at filling stations with them. Do they also have an 80% cut-off built into the system?

Write your comments here...I believe they do Cyber- they use the exact same fitting as a Safefill ( or the other way around if you prefer) in fact, I believe I'm correct in thinking Safefill ate even safer to fill so where is the argument and who is making it....... I wonder who???

Merve, a really good post....

however, you only have to look at the 'non-critical' reviews given by CC magazine to realise how 'in bed' they are with their 'sponsors'....anything that might influence sales of calor will be off limits...

ever seen a slating bad review of a Bailey or Swift caravan....

as to the 'in depth' MH reviews....a joke...

so...to Safefil.....solar panels.....and off grid vanning.....

the Club has a vested interest in attracting members to their 'fully equipped' (ehu and loo) sites and i just cant see them putting together an enthusiastic article convincing members that off grid vanning is 'the same' as being plugged in on a site.

we've had talk about this 'encouraging wild camping' exactly as you get when discussing members using sites as a Service Point (for a fee) when just passing through.

the club has a very clear set of ideas as to how 'camping' should be done, and pitching up, applying the handbrake and not ferreting around for the ehu cable suddenly becomes foreign...old fashioned, as you described.... 

perhaps the club (and the members that read their bland 'reviews/tests') dont understand that a cuppa made with water boiled on a gas hob tastes the same as one made with water from an electic kettle.

similarly, my shower water (heated with gas) does the same job as that heated with electric.

my tv programs are equally bad running from my 12v tv as any mains one and my ipad/phone charge equally well from my 12v socket as from a mains one.

however, one thing is far better......the price of the pitch

so, far from being old fashioned and 'back to basics', we know its anything but......

but the club is convinced that 'it' is in the forefront of technology, and anything other than its model is 'hairshirt' (love that one....)