How much do you pay for your gas ?

Merve.Just got this from Trading Standards via my M.P.Makes interesting reading.

Mike

User Information Sheet 026 Revised July 2016 Guidance for Public LPG Refuelling Facility Operators on the Filling of Freestanding LPG Cylinders Scope This User Information Sheet applies to any operator of a public LPG refuelling facility that allows the refuelling of customer-owned freestanding LPG cylinders. Introduction UKLPG advises that freestanding LPG cylinders should not be filled at public LPG refuelling facilities by customers or untrained personnel. The majority of LPG cylinders(1) in service in the UK are owned by the gas supplier whose name is on the cylinder. These must ONLY be filled in a filling plant by the gas supplier or their authorised filling contractor. It is unlawful for anyone else to fill cylinders that are the property of the gas supplier. This guidance provides a brief summary on the duties & implications for the Facility Operator of filling LPG freestanding cylinders and the associated societal risks. Customer-owned freestanding LPG cylinders have been available for a number of years and are generally sold to private persons who have responsibilities for their cylinder. The Red Guide(2) states: ‘Portable LPG Cylinders (24); Customers or untrained attendants should not be allowed to fill portable LPG cylinders from the Autogas dispenser’(3). ADR(4) states: “The filling of pressure receptacles may only be carried out by specially equipped centres, with qualified staff using appropriate procedures”. The Law Regulations impose duties on any operator of a public LPG refuelling facility to ensure safety obligations are met. These facilities are places of work and their personnel have responsibility for the safety of everyone on the site, including the general public. Should a public refuelling facility owner/operator, or their employees, authorise the dispensing of LPG then they are considered to be the “filler”. The UK Health and Safety Regulations that are applicable include the:  Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations;  Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations;  Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations;  Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order;  Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations; these enact ADR that includes the filling of LPG cylinders. The public LPG refuelling facility operator should also consider:  Legal implications under Regulations listed above; UKLPG • the trade association for the LPG industry in the UK• Page 2 of 2 A Camden House •Warwick Road• Kenilworth• Warwickshire• CV8 1TH• E mail@uklpg.org – Published Version  Their insurance position both with regard to on site activities, responsibilities and subsequent use of the cylinder by the customer;  Their position with regard to weights and measures and consumer legislation;  Any planning and local authority consents. Summary of Emergency Procedures Emergency procedures need to be in place to provide guidance to the employees in the event of:  Overfilling of a cylinder;  A leaking cylinder;  An uncontrolled release of LPG;  Fire/Explosion. Note: An overfilled or leaking cylinder must not be allowed to leave the site until made safe. Summary of filling procedures Filling procedures need to be in place and include:  The cylinder to be filled should be manufactured to a suitable Standard and be specifically designed for use with Propane;  The cylinder to be filled should be suitably marked and must be within test date. If manufactured after 2003 the cylinder must also be p marked to show compliance with TPED(5). (Cylinders should be re-tested at specified intervals. For composite cylinders the period should not exceed 5 years, and for steel cylinders 10 years);  The cylinder condition should be checked before filling;  The cylinder should be safely filled and subjected to post fill checks by a competent person. Note: More details are given in BS EN1439 References (1) LPG Cylinders - Defined in ADR as a pressure receptacle, this includes the cylinder valve and any fittings (2) The Red Guide - Petrol Filling Stations Guidance on Managing the Risks of Fire & Explosion published by the Energy Institute (3) Autogas Dispenser - Liquefied Petroleum Gas dispenser located at LPG refuelling facilities (4) ADR - The European Agreement concerning the International Carriage of Dangerous Goods by Road; the “Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations” enacts this in the UK (5) TPED - Transportable Pressure Equipment Directive Further Reading • UKLPG Codes of Practice; including 10 and 20 provide details on LPG operations • www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/stdcurr.htm HSE Approved Design Standards & Specifications • BS EN 1439: LPG equipment and accessories, Procedure for checking LPG cylinders before, during and after filling • AEGPL (The European LPG Association) - Position on Cylinder Filling at Autogas Stations: www.aegpl.eu Status of UKLPG information sheets UKLPG Information Sheets are technical documents prepared and issued under the authority of the UKLPG Technical and Safety Management Team; the contents have the same status as a Code of Practice so members of UKLPG are expected to conform to the information provided. Whilst some of the documents are prepared in collaboration with the HSE, all the information is available to their inspectors and they

Sorry wont let me edit but last line of information sheet should be

may therefore use this to establish best practice and compliance.

Uklpg don't set UK regulations.. 

Think Safefill need to take this up with their lawyers. 

5 minutes research shows uklpg to be the trade body representing the bottle gas industry ie Calor. 

Of course they are against Safefill. Think the mp and trading standards need to be informed their informationis is partisan and based upon the commercial interests of monopolistic bottle gas suppliers. 

Lawyers could stop this 

The UKLPG Association is a trade body made up of companies through out the indusrty, not just bottled gas suppliers but Refineries, Eqiupment suppliers, Auto Gas installers, Domestic Installers, Pressure vessel manufacturers, LPG training organisations, Cylinder repatriation companies and many more. Having been a member of the Trade association and serverd on a number of committees, the association  advises the Government here and  it's European counterparts on the safe use, installation and transportation of LPG across the board. Safefill if it wishes can become a member, actually surprised it has chosen not too.  It is not a Calor controlled body. 

I actually don't care how much I pay for gas!  I buy it when I need it.  Rarely go off grid but, even if I did, I'd still buy it when I needed it and wouldn't bother about the cost.  We've invested in our caravan to enjoy it and wouldn't baulk at the cost when it came to using it.

I understand the logic here but what isn't logical to me is folk spending money they don't need to! They are either so wealthy it doesn't matter or they don't care? Not sure which but since I went nonEHU I have saved enough on site fees to pay for the SP, the inverter and the Safefill cylinders. I am on site now enjoying another wonderful non EHU site at £6 a night and I know I will never need an umbilical cord again -even in winter. 

I t is not a Cal

The UKLPG Association is a trade body made up of companies through out the indusrty, not just bottled gas suppliers but Refineries, Eqiupment suppliers, Auto Gas installers, Domestic Installers, Pressure vessel manufacturers, LPG training organisations, Cylinder repatriation companies and many more. Having been a member of the Trade association and serverd on a number of committees, the association  advises the Government here and  it's European counterparts on the safe use, installation and transportation of LPG across the board. Safefill if it wishes can become a member, actually surprised it has chosen not too.  It is not a Calor controlled body. 

Didn't say it was a Calor controlled body.

I said it represents the commercial interests of bottled gas manufacturers. Who is the biggest in the UK, oh yes, CALOR 

It's therefore not independent and should be challenged by Safefill 

Apologies for the formatting I am on a smartphone 

 

The UKLPG Association is a trade body made up of companies through out the indusrty, not just bottled gas suppliers but Refineries, Eqiupment suppliers, Auto Gas installers, Domestic Installers, Pressure vessel manufacturers, LPG training organisations, Cylinder repatriation companies and many more. Having been a member of the Trade association and serverd on a number of committees, the association  advises the Government here and  it's European counterparts on the safe use, installation and transportation of LPG across the board. Safefill if it wishes can become a member, actually surprised it has chosen not too.  It is not a Calor controlled body. 

I know a little more than most regarding the ' relationship' between the big boys and SAFEFILL. There are very good reasons why they have not become members but thats not my place and its for another time. All I would say is -  it might not be ' a Calor controlled body' but if you were Safefill you could be forgiven for coming to the conclusion that it is!!! Safefill however will succeed simply because they have a better, more modern product that offers choice. All the tactics that have been employed against them have failed - the old guard have been rumbled and now it's  time for the future to take over and the savvy caravanner and many others are waking up to the fact that there is a new boy or boys (gas low) on the block and they like what they see. We can be certain of one thing- There will be many more places to fill your Safefill cylinder up in the near future! 

Fysherman, have you looked on the UKLPG website as to who are members and therefore who they represent? One of the full members is The Caravan Club. The UKLPG membership page is here. 

There was a previous version of this. 

UKLPG contacted the HSE to say the filling cylinders was dangerous. 

HSE put out memo to their inspectors basically saying that UKLPG had said it wasn't safe and for inspectors to keep a eye out for it happening. The HSE stated that there was no record of anyone being harmed by filling a bottle at a pump. 

UKLPG state that the HSE say Cylinder refilling is dangerous. 

It was a circular argument.