How much do you pay for your gas ?

Fysherman, have you looked on the UKLPG website as to who are members and therefore who they represent? One of the full members is The Caravan Club. The UKLPG membership page is here. 

No I hadn't. Thanks for that. I struggle on the smartphone even with bins on. 

Perhaps the club could comment? What is the club stance on refillable cylinders which save members money and what representation have they made on behalf of members? 

I am not cynical enough to think how much revenue they are losing to refillable cylinders so never even raising the matter. 

Go on then, I am a bit cynical 

Fysherman never said you did say it was a Calor controlled body, all I was doing was trying to do was inform the forum of the mix and make up of the UKLPG association and showing its not controlled by any one company or select group. 

Fisherman you can go back (May 2016) to a discussion about Safefill on which I did put on a reply I received from The Caravan Club when I asked about using Safefill. 

The discussion is here

I actually don't care how much I pay for gas!  I buy it when I need it.  Rarely go off grid but, even if I did, I'd still buy it when I needed it and wouldn't bother about the cost.  We've invested in our caravan to enjoy it and wouldn't baulk at the cost when it came to using it.

......but many folk enjoy their mh/caravans in more places than you do....more off grid....more longer trips in other countries....

in spain, you cant just swap your calor bottle for a Repsol or Cepsa one....

in france, you cant swap your Calor bottle for a 'le Cube'....

...but you can fill at an LPG pump in either country....and everywhere else in europe and the uk....

those who off grid for many weeks, wont want to keep shelling out four times the cash level to calor...well i certainly dont...

...and having made a large investment in a nice van doesnt mean necessarily lobbing plenty more cash at the default gas suppliers .....id rather have it in my wallet for more ferry trips, longer stays.....anything other then waste it....

In General the gas companies are not that bothered by Safefill or Gaslow because the volume of business lost to this market sector is small In comparison to the rest of their business. What they are concerned about is the fact that the more people getting into refilling these types of cylinder will encourage the unscrupulous operators amongst them to start to refill other manufacturers cylinders. This is a big problem to these manufacturers. Let's say one of these filing setups illegally fill and overfill a Calor cylinder and then that cylinder blows the safety valve and leaks, it catches fire somebody is killed or property damaged. Everybody would say it was Calors fault because it was a Calor cylinder. It would be them to answer the questions even though they have not done anything wrong. This is not a Calor problem but an industry problem larger then most people know about the illegal filling of cylinders, they certainly do not want to encourage it. That's why they try to restrict it wherever they can. 

...but cant the 'regs' recognise the difference between a genuine refillable cylinder (non return valve, 80% fill cut off system etc), which can be filled safely, and those which dont have these measures and shouldnt be refilled?

In General the gas companies are not that bothered by Safefill or Gaslow because the volume of business lost to this market sector is small In comparison to the rest of their business. What they are concerned about is the fact that the more people getting into refilling these types of cylinder will encourage the unscrupulous operators amongst them to start to refill other manufacturers cylinders. This is a big problem to these manufacturers. Let's say one of these filing setups illegally fill and overfill a Calor cylinder and then that cylinder blows the safety valve and leaks, it catches fire somebody is killed or property damaged. Everybody would say it was Calors fault because it was a Calor cylinder. It would be them to answer the questions even though they have not done anything wrong. This is not a Calor problem but an industry problem larger then most people know about the illegal filling of cylinders, they certainly do not want to encourage it. That's why they try to restrict it wherever they can. 

Im sorry but I really do have to reply to this! Firstly, they are very bothered! Yes, it might be small now but it's growing in this country and throughout Europe and for every Safefill cylinder refilled that means that Calor and Co can't rent out one of their cylinders and/or get some sucker to sign on the dotted line for a cylinder rental contract!!! I believe that Calor and co are genuinely worried about the loss of revenue that has worked unopposed for years! How long will it be before all sizes of cylinders are offered for sale??? Secondly, Safefill is about OVERT filling not COVERT filling. This is typical of the rumours and counter rumours circulating at the moment. Who starts these rumours? - certainly not Safefill. Calor cylinders are not made to be refilled by the user, they are specifically made to be filled by Calor and rented out. Safefill are MADE TO BE REFILLED and have passed every bit of legislation there is in terms of safety, burst tests and the like. Unfortunately there have always been idiots who refill Calor cylinders to save a few bob and I agree with you that the practice is highly dangerous as the 80% rule cannot be practised. Again, Safefill pass that test too! Don't let's throw the baby out with the bath water shall we! For Safefill to be lumped in with the illegal practice of refilling steel cylinders is rather like saying that everyone should be banned from driving for safety's sake because a few of us are idiots on the road. Find and prosecute the culprits and use Safefill to promote good practice!! It seems to me that if one method fails to halt the Safefill rise then they try another- they are desperate to kill off any competition and if they do (which they won't) we will all suffer!! 

BoleroBoy didn't understand the regs bit, The Safefill valve shuts the valve at 80% as you say, but how many of those who are filling manufactures cylinders have scales to weigh the cylinder before filling, then find the tareweight and do the calculation, so they know what is inside the cylinder before they fill,  they will just quess or estimate whilst looking around that no one is watching.  

God post Merve, agree with every word.

...but cant the 'regs' recognise the difference between a genuine refillable cylinder (non return valve, 80% fill cut off system etc), which can be filled safely, and those which dont have these measures and shouldnt be refilled?

You took the words out of my mouth BB. Surely we have the nonce to recognise a genuine refillable cylinder against a clunky, and heavy cylinder that needs a specially and mostly badly made 'adaptor ' that can't??? Are these inspectors that thick? - I think not!!