An appeal to Safefill users - and others!

Merve replied on 14/08/2018 20:08

Merve

Posted on 14/08/2018 20:08

I do not wish this thread to deteriorate into a debate about Safefill Cylinders and the whys and wherefores of various other makes. This is not a promotion of any product. So please, if you are not a Safefill User, (unless you wish to assist your fellow campers, Motorhomers and caravanners which would be very welcome!) do not comment. This thread is about the effort by the ‘Leisure public’ who use Safefill cylinders to increase the chances of more fill points which can only be a positive move. Morrisons moved to facilitate Safefill after I suggested we all write to them and ask about filling a perfectly legal cylinder. People power does work and it can be a powerful force when applied. Can anyone who uses, or is about to purchase a Safefill, or would like to see fill points open up nearer to them or just simply wants to help their fellow caravanners- please take 5 minutes to email the following Service Station Groups about filling Safefill cylinders now that the Red Guide has been amended to encompass them and Morrisons have allowed their filling. You will get the details from the web. I have only chosen 2 at the moment- more will follow. If we do this as a group, we can change minds as we did with Morrisons. The first is Penny Petroleum which is based in the north of England and has 42 sites I believe. They are on Twitter so that’s another way of contacting them and applying gentle pressure! The second and much larger concern is Euro Garages Group. Please help. Safefill are too small to get out there and visit everyone but they are doing their best I can assure you. Can you please post when you have sent your communication and any results you receive to the thread Thank you so much . We need those fill points!

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Cornersteady replied on 22/08/2018 17:14

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Posted on 22/08/2018 17:14

so a trained employee is needed?

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Posted on 22/08/2018 17:44

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Posted on 22/08/2018 17:14 by Cornersteady

so a trained employee is needed?

Posted on 22/08/2018 17:53

It is up to the retailer as to who is permitted to be served with what and by whom. As I said earlier it would seem that Morrisons have done a risk assessment and decided that Joe Public can refill Safefill bottles. Obviously some others have also done the same.

Cornersteady replied on 22/08/2018 18:33

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Posted on 22/08/2018 17:53 by

It is up to the retailer as to who is permitted to be served with what and by whom. As I said earlier it would seem that Morrisons have done a risk assessment and decided that Joe Public can refill Safefill bottles. Obviously some others have also done the same.

Posted on 22/08/2018 18:33

Ok but I'm then confused by the 'red guide' which states:

At present, though, the published guidance for filling station operators (i.e. ‘The Red Guide’, published by the Petroleum Enforcement Liaison Group and User Information Sheet 026, published by UKLPG (the LPG industry’s trade association) state that ‘Customers or untrained attendants should not be allowed to fill portable LPG cylinders from the autogas dispenser.’ The current versions of these documents date from 2015 and 2016 respectively.

Is this law or a guideline that could be followed? What is this 'enforcement' supposed to mean?

What happens if there is accident by Joe Public filling their bottles?

Boff replied on 22/08/2018 18:46

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Posted on 22/08/2018 18:46

It is as far as I know it’s a guideline published by a trade body. I don’t know of a specific law making the filling of a bottle. Calor might claim filling one of their bottles is illegal. While it is certainly in contravention of their hire agreement not that I ever had one. I would doubt it would constitute a specific criminal offence.

What happens if there is an accident with Joe Public filling his car or Jerry can with premium unleaded?

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Posted on 22/08/2018 17:53 by

It is up to the retailer as to who is permitted to be served with what and by whom. As I said earlier it would seem that Morrisons have done a risk assessment and decided that Joe Public can refill Safefill bottles. Obviously some others have also done the same.

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Posted on 22/08/2018 19:09

DD, I have no questions and have read the sheet.

replied on 22/08/2018 19:13

Posted on 22/08/2018 18:33 by Cornersteady

Ok but I'm then confused by the 'red guide' which states:

At present, though, the published guidance for filling station operators (i.e. ‘The Red Guide’, published by the Petroleum Enforcement Liaison Group and User Information Sheet 026, published by UKLPG (the LPG industry’s trade association) state that ‘Customers or untrained attendants should not be allowed to fill portable LPG cylinders from the autogas dispenser.’ The current versions of these documents date from 2015 and 2016 respectively.

Is this law or a guideline that could be followed? What is this 'enforcement' supposed to mean?

What happens if there is accident by Joe Public filling their bottles?

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Merve replied on 22/08/2018 19:25

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Posted on 22/08/2018 19:25

Just when I thought the message had sunk home! I don’t think I can say it again as the previous 30 times has been ignored. I’ll try. Here we go..... you’re looking at old stuff- out of date stuff, stuff that is not relevant. The new RG and the St 26 are in the pipeline. Don’t ask me when they are coming out- I don’t know but I can assure you they will. Safefill has a copy of the new RG but they won’t release it as it has not yet been released by the appropriate authorities and it would not be polite to to do so. But, I’m sure Morrisons have a copy too! That’s it from me! This is giving me a headache!! Doh!!

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Posted on 22/08/2018 18:33 by Cornersteady

Ok but I'm then confused by the 'red guide' which states:

At present, though, the published guidance for filling station operators (i.e. ‘The Red Guide’, published by the Petroleum Enforcement Liaison Group and User Information Sheet 026, published by UKLPG (the LPG industry’s trade association) state that ‘Customers or untrained attendants should not be allowed to fill portable LPG cylinders from the autogas dispenser.’ The current versions of these documents date from 2015 and 2016 respectively.

Is this law or a guideline that could be followed? What is this 'enforcement' supposed to mean?

What happens if there is accident by Joe Public filling their bottles?

Posted on 22/08/2018 19:25

The Red Guide from Petrol Enforcement Liaison Group does not, from my memory, refer to LPG. Sheet 26 is published by UKPLG and is a trade association guide with regard to PLG.

As far as I can see the Red Guide is a bit of a Red Herring as the current one does not reference LPG. Whether the next one, when issued, will refer to LPG or not I have no idea but wonder why it would?

As Ro pointed out, the present advice from UKLPG to its members is that untrained operatives should not refill gas bottles. Whether Morrisons, for example, are a part of that trade association I have no idea.

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