An appeal to Safefill users - and others!

Merve replied on 14/08/2018 20:08

Posted on 14/08/2018 20:08

I do not wish this thread to deteriorate into a debate about Safefill Cylinders and the whys and wherefores of various other makes. This is not a promotion of any product.  So please, if you are not a Safefill User, (unless you wish to assist your fellow campers, Motorhomers and caravanners which would be very welcome!) do not comment. This thread is about the effort by the ‘Leisure public’ who use Safefill cylinders to increase the chances of more fill points which can only be a positive move. Morrisons moved to facilitate Safefill after I suggested we all write to them and ask about filling a perfectly legal cylinder. People power does work and it can be a powerful force when applied. Can anyone who uses, or is about to purchase a Safefill, or would like to see fill points open up nearer to them or just simply wants to help their fellow caravanners-  please take 5 minutes to email the following Service Station Groups about filling Safefill cylinders now that the Red Guide has been amended to encompass them and Morrisons have allowed their filling.  You will get the details from the web.  I have only chosen 2 at the moment- more will follow. If we do this as a group, we can change minds as we did with Morrisons. The first is Penny Petroleum which is based in the north of England and has 42 sites I believe. They are on Twitter so that’s another way of contacting them and applying gentle pressure! The second and much larger concern is Euro Garages Group. Please help. Safefill are too small to get out there and visit everyone but they are doing their best I can assure you. Can you please post when you have sent your communication and  any results you receive to the thread Thank you so much . We need those fill points! 

Cornersteady replied on 22/08/2018 19:26

Posted on 22/08/2018 18:46 by Boff

It is as far as I know it’s a guideline published by a trade body.   I don’t know of a specific law making the filling of a bottle.  Calor might claim filling one of their bottles is illegal.   While it is certainly in contravention of their hire agreement not that I ever had one.  I would doubt it would constitute a specific criminal offence.  

What happens if there is an accident with Joe Public filling his car or Jerry can with premium unleaded?

Posted on 22/08/2018 19:26

thanks for your reply.

Well we are 'allowed' to fill up ours cars but  this appears to imply that we should not refill gas bottles, If there was an accident who would be legally responsible, if the 'enforcement' guidelines have not been followed and an 'untrained' person made the mistake?

replied on 22/08/2018 19:27

Posted on 22/08/2018 19:27

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replied on 22/08/2018 19:33

Posted on 22/08/2018 19:33

 A while ago I received the following from Safefill:

'Thank you for your enquiry and interest in Safefill cylinders.

As you are aware, via the article written by the Petrol Retailers Association and published in the Petrol Heads Up magazine, the Red Guide has been amended, by the Petroleum Enforcement Liason Group, to allow the filling of User Owned refillable cylinders, with safety features, on forecourts. This amendment was made last year but as yet, has not gone to print so we are unfortunately unable to provide a link. However, please rest assured that the Red Guide has been amended and we are suggesting to customers that they print off the PRA article.'

I have no idea why Safefill should think that I would be aware of anything published in 'Petrol Heads Up' magazine as it is a fortnightly electronic newsletter for members only

replied on 22/08/2018 19:42

Posted on 22/08/2018 19:25 by Merve

Just when I thought the message had sunk home! I don’t think I can say it again as the previous 30 times has been ignored. I’ll try. Here we go..... you’re looking at old stuff- out of date stuff, stuff that is not relevant. The new RG and the St 26 are in the pipeline. Don’t ask me when they are coming out- I don’t know but I can assure you they will. Safefill has a copy of the new RG but they won’t release it as it has not yet been released by the appropriate authorities and it would not be polite to to do so. But, I’m sure Morrisons have a copy too! That’s it from me! This is giving me a headache!! Doh!!

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DaveCyn replied on 22/08/2018 20:23

Posted on 22/08/2018 20:23

I'm surprised at the Technical Teams response as the CC is a member of UKLPG I would have thought they would have been more up to date with the latest.

They do attend the meetings & take note of what is said don't they?

replied on 22/08/2018 20:53

Posted on 22/08/2018 20:23 by DaveCyn

I'm surprised at the Technical Teams response as the CC is a member of UKLPG I would have thought they would have been more up to date with the latest.

They do attend the meetings & take note of what is said don't they?

Posted on 22/08/2018 20:53

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replied on 22/08/2018 20:58

Posted on 22/08/2018 20:53 by

It would appear that they are up to date.  They know that there are no officially revised and issue documents and therefore no changes.  

Posted on 22/08/2018 20:58

Also I have no idea whether they are members of UKLPG. Also they do not retail LPG

replied on 22/08/2018 21:11

Posted on 22/08/2018 21:08 by Oneputt

I get my bottle filled up, so as far as I’m concerned that’s an end to it.

Posted on 22/08/2018 21:11

Indeed from the users point of view that is probably sufficient

ChrisRogers replied on 22/08/2018 22:52

Posted on 22/08/2018 22:52

On my Safefill cylinder (older red cylinder 15ltr/8.6kg) the test is 10years, states it on the label, next test is due 2021, not bothered as it has paid for itself, so will buy a new one. 

Just had 9 nights away off grid and just topped it up at Morrisons, used over 6kg and cost £6.30 to refill, does for me and plenty of others.

 

 

 

 

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