Non-members on CLs

Threebarkingdogs replied on 16/10/2021 12:40

Posted on 16/10/2021 12:40

No names (just yet...).

On a CL (which has recently changed hands) the other week when a single guy in VW T5 home conversion turns up late at night and is away again 6am the next morning.  When speaking to the CL owner the next morning I said I was surprised to see he'd let someone stay in a van with no toilet (given that the CL has no toilets).  He seemed a little vague as to whether the person was a club member (I suspect he wasn't).

Is either issue acceptable?  Certainly I think the no toilet issue is a complete no no and I'm not over the moon about letting non members in just out of greed (well what other reason is there?).

 

 

Andy

 

cyberyacht replied on 17/10/2021 12:15

Posted on 17/10/2021 12:15

In order to sate Corners earlier curiosity, the CL in question was Carefree Nurseries in Titchfield, IIRC. Used by AD en route to his travels "over there". Why it was pertinent to your discourse, however, escapes me.

Cornersteady replied on 17/10/2021 12:23

Posted on 17/10/2021 12:15 by cyberyacht

In order to sate Corners earlier curiosity, the CL in question was Carefree Nurseries in Titchfield, IIRC. Used by AD en route to his travels "over there". Why it was pertinent to your discourse, however, escapes me.

Posted on 17/10/2021 12:23

I did say why in my post, have a reread CY? but thank you for replying for him, frowned upon by certain posters but I don't mind at all.

How some of Dave's similar posts to me being pertinent must also escape you? They certainly do to me.  

JohnM20 replied on 17/10/2021 12:33

Posted on 17/10/2021 12:33

I have stayed on the CL in question on a few occasions, if it is the one identified by CY, as my niece lived just up the road in Titchfield. However, it is very possible that the person(s) in the campervan were going for an early ferry at Portsmouth or Southampton and had stopped there after a long drive from further north. We will never know.

On a recent stay at a CL we were talking to the couple on the next pitch to us who had a fairly small campervan (not the Susan Calman type) who had not only a loo but a shower as well. 

On the assumption that the owners of the campervan used it on more than this one occasion I would be surprised if they had no toilet facilities with them. Making do is not always convenient or possible.

As far as the CL owner is concerned. if someone asks if another user of the CL is a member I would have said " it's none of your business".

Tinwheeler replied on 17/10/2021 12:42

Posted on 17/10/2021 12:42

JohnM, the CL referred to by CY was for a different reason. As far as we know, it is not the CL referred to by the OP.

Fisherman replied on 17/10/2021 12:53

Posted on 17/10/2021 12:53

We campervaned for over 40 years (6 vans in total) and were avid CL users. Fortunately we were in the " live and and let live era". We did not care or question if  the others were club members, or how stringent the site owners were. It made no difference to our holiday enjoyment. My main thrust is that the Cl system probably needs updating to the modern era, particularly regarding the viability of starting or improving a site with a 5 van limit impediment. My hope is that future generations can enjoy the freedom of the less regimented  versions of sites. There I hope that explains simply my viewpoint.

Navigateur replied on 17/10/2021 12:54

Posted on 17/10/2021 12:54

This post is not as far "off-topic" as a lot of the noise posted in this thread.

We are regularly reminded about a possibility of The Caravan Club loosing the right to issue exemptions, or even the whole legislature situation being changed so that no organisation can do so any longer.

Yet if there is a percieved transgression we are asked to inform the Club. Perhaps the Club keeps a tally of such situations, and even discontinues a site's certification.  But all of this is internal.  What gets reported back to a central government body?  I guess absolutely nothing!

So the Club is both poacher and gamekeeper.

Takethedogalong replied on 17/10/2021 13:36

Posted on 17/10/2021 13:36

I would say the OP has a personal grudge against small campers, VWT5s in particular, based upon what happens at his home. This is born out by his own later post. This is leading to speculation around a T5 visiting the CL he was staying on, so much so that he has decided to question the CL owner about the status of the visitor, and his toileting habits. Then it is the word of the OP that the CL owner was “vague”. More speculation. 

But, despite his reservations, the OP isn’t going to report the CL until he has used it again. Make what you want of the morality and fairness around this decision, I have my own thoughts, and they are not charitable. If a transgression has occurred, then follow Club advice, and report it🤷‍♀️

CL owners used to be issued with official recording diaries/sheets by the Club. Not sure if this is still ongoing, might have been superseded now by technology, but I do know most CL owners recorded Membership numbers, and as regular CL users, we are far more likely to be asked for our number than not. We also use the App. CL owners can check Membership status with HQ very easily, I do know this. Just to repeat again for the benefit of  Fisherman, yes Club Inspectors can and do call, we have seen some, met some. So I hope this fact can be retained for future threads.

What do I think in conclusion? I think the OP is basing his rather too interested views on not a great deal of fact. If he was serious in his concerns then report it. But to go back and then report it does seem a grossly unfair method of carrying on to be honest. Fine for me to use again because it suits, but after that I don’t care if it is closed down. 

 

 

replied on 17/10/2021 13:44

Posted on 17/10/2021 13:44

What do I think in conclusion? I think the OP is basing his rather too interested views on not a great deal of fact. If he was serious in his concerns then report it. But to go back and then report it does seem a grossly unfair method of carrying on to be honest. Fine for me to use again because it suits, but after that I don’t care if it is closed down.

Much a similar view except If I felt reasonable to do so I might well report it but would still have returned as long as it was still a CL, as it would be. . 

replied on 17/10/2021 13:47

Posted on 17/10/2021 12:53 by Fisherman

We campervaned for over 40 years (6 vans in total) and were avid CL users. Fortunately we were in the " live and and let live era". We did not care or question if  the others were club members, or how stringent the site owners were. It made no difference to our holiday enjoyment. My main thrust is that the Cl system probably needs updating to the modern era, particularly regarding the viability of starting or improving a site with a 5 van limit impediment. My hope is that future generations can enjoy the freedom of the less regimented  versions of sites. There I hope that explains simply my viewpoint.

Posted on 17/10/2021 13:47

I have no memory of the CL prices in 1980 when I was first using them but of course back then there were, generally no toilets or showers or hook ups. Anybody remember the costs?

CLs were generally less busy then

replied on 17/10/2021 14:17

Posted on 16/10/2021 23:18 by Threebarkingdogs

 I'm not sure where I said I was going to stab him in the back or even report him.

As I say the site has recently changed hands and I was just asking what peoples thoughts were on what I saw as issues.  I'm already booked in there for the return journey (as I said there aren't many other CL's in the area, it's location works well for us) and I'll raise my concerns with him next week face to face.  

I still find the idea of a van with no toilet being let onto a site without toilets odd.  Maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to this issue as I live on the NC500 in Scotland and almost every VW T5 that stops in the large layby at bottom of my garden contains at least one person who p***** (or worse) in full view of the house.  I expect the same things going on in a CL.

 

Andy

 

Posted on 17/10/2021 14:17

No idea why you would think that a VW T% conversion would not have a portapotti on board

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